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Old 08-03-2012, 08:57 PM
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Why? Because I eschew the brands embraced by that demographic (and you).
No, the way you talk.

Sometimes people go out of their ways to avoid being viewed in the same light as seniors, because they suspect people do view them that way from time to time. It is a paradox.

I am not saying you look old or act old, but sometimes your writing does read very old fashioned, take it easy.

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In the Motor Trend compro that a fully loaded 328 won by a mile, Jon Lieberman said you could order a mechanically equivalent 328 for $41K. The 2012 A4 came in 4th in that test. FYI, Motor Trend just did a 2013 A3/S4 First Drive.
So the 2013 A4/S4 LEDs change shapes again. What's next, angel eye?
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Old 08-03-2012, 09:58 PM
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So the 2013 A4/S4 LEDs change shapes again. What's next, angel eye?
2013 led lights already look sharper than angel eyes.
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:07 PM
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2013 led lights already look sharper than angel eyes.
That's a matter of personal opinion, the point is, what's next? Sooner or later they will run out of shapes.

At least Audi has the guts to open up the bass mouth even more.

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So the 2013 A4/S4 LEDs change shapes again. What's next, angel eye?
The individual LED's have been copied so much by a lot of manufacturers that Audi has decided to go with a solid light bar pattern instead on all their vehicles. Each car now has its own design pattern to match the car.

This is the facelifted 2013 R8, didn't like it at first like the new lights on the new A4/S4's, but it is definitely growing on me. Looks much better when you see it driving down the road.

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2013 led lights already look sharper than angel eyes.
Yeah, who wants classy, historical, brand-identifying design in their premium European car. Make it look like a completely different thing with every iteration. Those dumb coronas have been around for over a decade.......since way before any other automaker introduced anything like them.
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Open bass mouth with open gills. But R8 is an exotic model, meant to be naughty, they fit well.

But an A4, really?
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Open bass mouth with open gills. But R8 is an exotic model, meant to be naughty, they fit well.

But an A4, really?
Angel eyes on a 328i - Really?
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Open bass mouth with open gills. But R8 is an exotic model, meant to be naughty, they fit well.

But an A4, really?
It works me thinks. The designers realize that one shape will not always work on every model. Different shape, outlines, and stance of a car needs another element to balance it. Each manufacturer has it's signature look and there's nothing wrong with either. I like the kidney grill just as much because it is distinct. You look at the car and you know it's a BMW or Audi.

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It works me thinks. The designers realize that one shape will not always work on every model. Different shape, outlines, and stance of a car needs another element to balance it. Each manufacturer has it's signature look and there's nothing wrong with either. I like the kidney grill just as much because it is distinct. You look at the car and you know it's a BMW or Audi.

Just my opinion, but I utterly hate the massive grill design Audi has adopted. I have hated it from the very beginning and I hate it on every single model.
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I like BMW's DTM half corona look. Makes it more modern with an edge.

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Getting back on topic though regarding the ATS, the vertical light bar connecting through the fogs doesn't look that bad:

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No, the way you talk.

Sometimes people go out of their ways to avoid being viewed in the same light as seniors, because they suspect people do view them that way from time to time. It is a paradox.

I am not saying you look old or act old, but sometimes your writing does read very old fashioned, take it easy.
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Bingo!

If you want to avoid being viewed as an old man in a Cadillac, start by learning "how to write good."

Did I ruin it by saying "bingo?"

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Bingo!

If you want to avoid being viewed as an old man in a Cadillac, start by learning "how to write good."

Did I ruin it by saying "bingo?"
Not at all. "Bingo" is a real neat expression.

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Bingo!

If you want to avoid being viewed as an old man in a Cadillac, start by learning "how to write good."

Did I ruin it by saying "bingo?"
Unfortunately, writing good these days is a dead give away of being an old man.
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Isn't it supposed to be writing well?
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Isn't it supposed to be writing well?
It was a test, whoever spotted it the first gets the Don Butler "Cool" Trophy:

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...ing-chief.html

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Getting back on topic though regarding the ATS, the vertical light bar connecting through the fogs doesn't look that bad:

The ATS looks good to me, great TV ads too.
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Write well, write good. . . .


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BJ would say that the emblem is worth the extra $5000 because it's not a VW, Nissan, or a Toyota. Some BMW owners will say, "but.. but.. but we get BMW free maintenance." That's right you do, you've already paid for it.
Yes we pay for it in the purchase price, we realize that, but that doesn't mean you can ignore it when arguing value of these cars against each other.
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hmmm....Don Butler seems to know something about Cadillac I've missed. I've been a car nut since I was a very little kid with a collection of over 100 Hot Wheels cars that I took everywhere, yet somehow I didn't know that Cadillac was ever "cool". I just can't remember a single instance of anyone ever saying, "wow, that Caddy is so cool! That's what I want for my sixteenth birthday, so my high school buds will see how cool I am."

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Write well, write good. . . .


I could care less.
Could you now?
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Yes we pay for it in the purchase price, we realize that, but that doesn't mean you can ignore it when arguing value of these cars against each other.
I'm on your side and know that value is not found in a BMW. The deal comes from haggling with your sales person for invoice to bring it closer to its competitors. If you look at the invoice and msrp diff on a BMW vs that of another premium automaker, there is a bigger margin gap in the BMW.
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hmmm....Don Butler seems to know something about Cadillac I've missed. I've been a car nut since I was a very little kid with a collection of over 100 Hot Wheels cars that I took everywhere, yet somehow I didn't know that Cadillac was ever "cool". I just can't remember a single instance of anyone ever saying, "wow, that Caddy is so cool! That's what I want for my sixteenth birthday, so my high school buds will see how cool I am."
Not as a kid or a young adult. With that said, times have changed and companies evolve and rebuild their identity. I'm not there yet with Cadillac, but in the last few years they have caught my eye as a serious player. I sat in a co-worker's CTS and I was impressed at the refinement and ride. It felt very much like a German car than anything American. It doesn't share the same platform as any other gm cars and the level of luxury surpasses that of any entry lvl German car I know. Leather wrapped surfaces is a nice touch with contrasting stitching. I would consider an ATS-V version if in the market for a new sports sedan.
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