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Old 07-31-2012, 08:40 AM
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Starting to think about what type of tires to put on 2012 550i xdrive for the midwest winter. Any thoughts/recommendations would be appreciated. Currenlty have Dunlop Sport Maxx summer tires.
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:30 AM
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i'm going to try the sottozeros this year in 245/45-18. supposed to be well recommended
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Old 07-31-2012, 11:43 AM
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Starting to think about what type of tires to put on 2012 550i xdrive for the midwest winter. Any thoughts/recommendations would be appreciated. Currenlty have Dunlop Sport Maxx summer tires.
Do you have the sport package with the 19's or the standard 18?
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Old 07-31-2012, 11:49 AM
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I have the same question as the OP. I have the 19" Sport package.
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Old 07-31-2012, 11:51 AM
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I have M sport package 19's.
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Old 07-31-2012, 12:11 PM
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I have M sport package 19's.
Do you want to use the same 19 inch rims or are you going to have a completely different set of rims as well? The reason I ask is cause using the 18's will really broaden your tire choices as well as being more appropriate for snow traction.
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Old 07-31-2012, 12:16 PM
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I actually got a deal on the a second set of 19's, so I'll use them.
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Old 07-31-2012, 12:24 PM
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I actually got a deal on the a second set of 19's, so I'll use them.
If you're gonna use the same 245/40R19 set up as OEM, your choices are pretty narrow.
Assuming you don't want RFT (and who does). Your choices are down to 3 tires:
1. Tried a true Blizzaks which are great in snow but kinda mushy on dry or rain
2. Pirelli Winter Sottozero which are better in dry and wet but there is a newer version out that they don't make in this size yet.
3. The full monty Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4. Probably better than the other two but also more expensive.
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Old 07-31-2012, 12:26 PM
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Old 07-31-2012, 12:37 PM
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You can also go down a size without affecting anything too much 235/40/19. I think more choices will be available once the summer is over, right now there's no market for winter rubber.
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Old 07-31-2012, 01:33 PM
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Michelin PA4 is supposed to be a better tire over PA3. Other upcoming new tire include Dunlop WS 4D. Both are performance winter. Meaning great in dry & wet. Ok in snow & ice.
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Michelin PA4 is supposed to be a better tire over PA3. Other upcoming new tire include Dunlop WS 4D. Both are performance winter. Meaning great in dry & wet. Ok in snow & ice.
Both the PA4 and the 4D would be the first two that I would consider.
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Old 07-31-2012, 08:32 PM
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Outside of California/Florida/No Snow Land - has anyone left their all seasons on year round? When I spoke with the shop foreman a couple months back he mentioned that the car will handle well in the winter without a winter setup.
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Old 07-31-2012, 09:12 PM
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Outside of California/Florida/No Snow Land - has anyone left their all seasons on year round? When I spoke with the shop foreman a couple months back he mentioned that the car will handle well in the winter without a winter setup.
I haven't bothered putting snow tires on my SUVs/trucks in the past, but some All Season tires are better in the snow than others. My GL drove like a tank in the snow - it had good snow performance A/S tires. My FX absolutely could not climb a snow covered slope - it had poor snow performance A/S tires. As far as cars are concerned, I had MXM4 A/S tires on my A6 and never had any issues in the snow. My RWD cars always get snow tires and my current AWD has snows since I wanted Summer performance tires during the warmer months which forces me to have a second set of wheels anyway. I would suggest that you check out your tires ratings at Tirerack and see what they say.

BTW, my winding uphill driveway and rolling hills road don't get plowed until I get home. The County won't plow the road because it is too steep for their trucks. So, I've got some experience in slippery conditions that most folks will never attempt. Well at least when a car/truck gets stuck on my drive or road as they have in the past, I have the tractor to pull it out.
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Old 07-31-2012, 09:25 PM
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Probably Bridgestone LM-60 RFT. Had good luck with them on other BMWs.
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:40 AM
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I would suggest that you check out your tires ratings at Tirerack and see what they say.
I checked Tirerack and while they don't provide any info on winter handling, the reviews seem to indicate sufficient snow performance. In Utah they pre-salt the roads for big storms and are out plowing long before I ever wake up. I think I will forgoe and take my wife's SUV if necessary.
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:44 AM
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I haven't bothered putting snow tires on my SUVs/trucks in the past, but some All Season tires are better in the snow than others. My GL drove like a tank in the snow - it had good snow performance A/S tires. My FX absolutely could not climb a snow covered slope - it had poor snow performance A/S tires. As far as cars are concerned, I had MXM4 A/S tires on my A6 and never had any issues in the snow. My RWD cars always get snow tires and my current AWD has snows since I wanted Summer performance tires during the warmer months which forces me to have a second set of wheels anyway. I would suggest that you check out your tires ratings at Tirerack and see what they say.

BTW, my winding uphill driveway and rolling hills road don't get plowed until I get home. The County won't plow the road because it is too steep for their trucks. So, I've got some experience in slippery conditions that most folks will never attempt. Well at least when a car/truck gets stuck on my drive or road as they have in the past, I have the tractor to pull it out.
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Old 08-01-2012, 03:36 PM
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I wouldn't assume you don't want RFTs in the winter. If you do want RFTs in the winter then Bridgestone Blizzak LM-25 RFTs are specifically designed for the F10 as a winter tire. I have had them on my 550i xDrive for the past two winters and they are great. They are just as good or even better in all respects than the Dunlop Wintersport M3s, non RFT, I had on my last car, a 650i. I have 19" wheels and tires for the summer, but I downsize to 18" wheels and tires in the winter. I don't think the LM-25s come in 19" size, only 18". But check on the tirerack. I highly recommend the LM-25s. Here's a direct link to the tires. I have the 245/45 18s.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSe...autoModel=550i xDrive Sedan Sport Pkg&autoModClar=Built On or After 9/10
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Old 08-22-2012, 08:01 PM
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Hi, I'm new to the forum and just placed my order for a well-optioned 2013 535i with xdrive. We also have a 99 528i that we love
My question is, since we live in New England, we are planning on ordering a set of aftermarket 18" wheels and mounting Blizzaks or Nokians to them. Any thoughts on this plan?

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Old 08-22-2012, 08:05 PM
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Hi, I'm new to the forum and just placed my order for a well-optioned 2013 535i with xdrive. We also have a 99 528i that we love
My question is, since we live in New England, we are planning on ordering a set of aftermarket 18" wheels and mounting Blizzaks or Nokians to them. Any thoughts on this plan?

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It's the best winter set up available. You'll be king of the road. I lived in Boston for 6 years. The road conditions are just something else.
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Old 08-22-2012, 08:36 PM
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18" Nokian Hakkapeliitta 7's on all 4 corners - unparalleled winter driving performance

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Old 08-23-2012, 04:15 AM
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Just a word of advise.

Do try to get winter tires with either H or V rating. If you do lots of freeway driving, those speed rating are recommended over the T rating.

There are many articles on the 'understanding tire speed rating'.

It is really more of a test of a tire's stability over time while driving at highway speeds.

All tires generate heat when rolling. Imagine the sidewall flexing as it goes from fully extended at the 12 o'clock position to fully compressed at the 6 o'clock position. At 100 km/h, the tire of a small sedan rotates about 800 times per minute, generating a lot of heat. So as speeds go up, the heat goes up, until eventually the sidewall gives up and goes bang.

There is a measurement standard for the length of time a tire can run at a given speed before failure. This is determined on a test machine in a lab that simulates load on the tire and cornering forces, etc. The tire must run two hours at a sustained speed to get a speed rating.

A T-rated tire can run at sustained speeds of 190 km/h and be safe. An H-rated tire can run at 210 km/h. Since you don't go that fast, why does it matter? Remember that sidewall flex? Flex can be increased when the tire is under-inflated, when the car is more heavily loaded, and when the car goes around a corner. So a heavily loaded car with under-inflated tires going down a twisty road can really punish a tire.

The only thing that can help the tire is to make it stiffer and better able to dissipate heat. The result is a higher speed rating.

The automaker works out the worst-case scenario and chooses a tire with a speed rating that gives even the least-informed driver a safety net. Therefore, a V-rated tire is stronger than a H-rated tire is stronger and stiffer than a T-rated tire.

Another advantage of stiffer sidewall, higher-speed rated tires is shorter braking distances and quicker response to steering.

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Old 08-23-2012, 07:12 AM
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I got 18" M wheels specifically for winter, and put Michelin Alpins on, which performed great last winter. They are more of a Performance winter tire than the others mentioned above. That allows me to run Michelin Pilot Super Sports on my 19" rims the rest of the year.

I am fundamentally opposed to all-season tires on a performance car like the 550, altho that's what usually comes from the BMW factory. Dedicated snows is the way to go for winter in snow-producing states, IMO.
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