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Old 03-29-2015, 11:20 AM
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N63 CCP Results 2

I posted these 2 bulletins in the original Results thread, but with so many people having problems after the CCP I wanted to start a new thread so everyone can find it easier. Mods- Feel free to delete this if needed.

I dropped min off for the CCP in early March. Went to pick mine up and didn't make it a mile before check engine light and DTM. Brought it back and they cleared codes etc..... They still have it for the third time and it looks like BMW might have know about problems after CCP. Great.


SI B11 07 15
Engine March 2015
Technical Service
SUBJECT
N63: Quality Control Monitoring After CCP
MODEL
F01 (7 Series Sedan) produced from 9/2008 to 6/2012
F02 (7 Series Sedan LWB) produced from 9/2008 to 6/2012

F04 (Active Hybrid 7) produced from 4/2010 to 6/2012

F07 (Gran Turismo) produced from 9/2009 to 6/2012

F10 (5 Series Sedan) produced from 3/2010 to 7/2013

F12 (6 Series Convertible) produced from 3/2011 to 7/2012

F13 (6 Series Coupe) produced from 7/2011 to 7/2012

E70 (X5) produced from 3/2010 to 6/2013

E71 (X6) produced from 7/2008 to 6/2014

E72 (ActiveHybrid X6) produced from 9/2009 to 9/2011

SITUATION
The complimentary Customer Care Package (SI B11 06 14, SI B11 16 14) was designed exclusively for N63-equipped vehicles to ensure the highest levels of engine performance after its completion.
However, you may encounter a situation in isolated cases where an N63-equipped vehicle still exhibits unacceptable drivability behavior after completion of the CCP, such as:

Rough idle
Misfire faults with or without CEL
Jerking/surges or combustion miss during heavy acceleration, or
Bluish smoke coming from the exhaust on a cold start or after a hot soak
BMW NA Technical Service must be notified of such situations.

INFORMATION
If the vehicle exhibits any of the above drivability issues, perform the ISTA/D N63 Misfire Detection test plan. Please make sure the FASTA data is transmitted.
Submit a PuMA case titled "N63: Drivability after CCP." Follow the recommendations received.



And for those of you who had it done with no change to CBS to 10,000 mile/12 months


SI B12 10 15
Engine Electrical Systems March 2015
Technical Service
This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B12 10 15 dated January 2015.
designates changes to this revision

SUBJECT
N63: CBS Oil Service Conversion in ISTA/P
MODEL
F01 (7 Series Sedan)
F02 (7 Series Sedan LWB)

Produced to approximately 9/2009

F04 (ActiveHybrid 7)

Produced to approximately 3/2012

F10 (5 Series Sedan)

Produced to approximately 9/2010

E70 (X5)

E71 (X6)

E72 (ActiveHybrid X6)

Produced to 10/2010

All with the N63 engine

SITUATION
The CBS oil service conversion performed for the N63 Customer Car Package and timing chain check (SI B11 16 14) did not work correctly with ISTA/P 3.54.x or 3.55.0.
It did not change the interval to the desired 12 months/10,000 miles for the vehicles listed above in the specified production ranges.

The "Conversion, oil service 12 months/15,000 km/10,000 miles" is working properly for all other N63 vehicles produced after these dates.

CAUSE
Incorrect coding data in the affected ISTA/P versions
CORRECTION
The conversions are now corrected with ISTA/P 3.55.1.
Please install this version to perform the conversion on all N63 CCP repairs.

This information will be updated once details are provided for addressing those customers who previously had the N63 CCP repairs performed, but the conversion procedure was unsuccessful.

Target integration levels for the affected models within the production dates listed above:

F01, F02, F04 Target integration: F001-15-03-502

F10 Target integration: F010-15-03-502

E70, E71, E72 Target integration: E070-14-11 501
WARRANTY INFORMATION
Not applicable.
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Old 03-29-2015, 03:33 PM
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count me in, waiting for car to come back from CCP #2. Rough Idle and misfires, shaking, and oh yeah, 2nd tranny in 2 weeks.
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Old 03-30-2015, 12:33 PM
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BMW should buy back these problem cars and have the engineers drive them. Could someone point me in the direction that the N63tu may not suffer the same reliability issue as the N63? I don't have a good feel about owning this thing past warranty. I'm sure I'm not alone.
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Old 03-30-2015, 02:32 PM
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BMW should buy back these problem cars and have the engineers drive them. Could someone point me in the direction that the N63tu may not suffer the same reliability issue as the N63? I don't have a good feel about owning this thing past warranty. I'm sure I'm not alone.
this nightmare is not going to go away.
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Old 03-30-2015, 07:00 PM
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I had rough idle and CEL afterwards. They think it was the throttle body and replaced that - I pick it up tomorrow and will report back. They say it's "running great" now.

I've owned it for 4 weeks and it's been in the shop for one of those.....
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Old 03-30-2015, 07:10 PM
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Still waiting on mine. They think it's a DME problem. Who knows?
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Old 03-30-2015, 07:58 PM
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BMW should buy back these problem cars and have the engineers drive them. Could someone point me in the direction that the N63tu may not suffer the same reliability issue as the N63? I don't have a good feel about owning this thing past warranty. I'm sure I'm not alone.
You still have a good chunk of manufacturers warranty left. See how the car will be in few years, then decide. Also extended or aftermarket warranty is a must for vehicle of this caliber. My N63TU was trouble-free to the day I traded it. It had almost 20K miles, pedalbox and coded and no issues.
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3 more injectors replaced, car feels much better, but could still feel some shaking when Idle.
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Old 03-31-2015, 08:15 AM
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I replaced all injectors on more than 4 occasions along with both turbos TWICE. I also replaced both CCVs TWICE, oil pump, MAF, ran chevron gas premium ONLY, fuel filter, and gas line TWICE. I also replaced all head gaskets TWICE. Not to mention all spark plugs and coils on THREE different occassions. And all this was done in less than 2 years prior to the CCP. I had the CCP done and when I pulled out of the lot, I felt a jerk and hesitation with another misfire. I have essentially had several CCPs and the car still never corrected itself. I dont think this is an issue that can be addressed adequately by BMW at this time. sadly so...
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Old 03-31-2015, 10:03 AM
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I had rough idle and CEL afterwards. They think it was the throttle body and replaced that - I pick it up tomorrow and will report back. They say it's "running great" now.
Here is another super strange addition: after the CCP the trunk release button on my key fob stopped working. They checked the switch in the center armrest, they checked the "deadbolt" mechanism in the trunk latch, but it still didn't work. They said they ran a test on the key itself - and it apparently had an internal failure so they ordered me another key. Now that new key will not program itself to the car - they don't know why. They are trying to determine if its a different electronic module inside the car that actually failed.

Its been there since Friday afternoon this whole time trying to determine what the problem is - apparently unable to do so.

So I'm still in the 2015 335i loaner - which is fine and dandy - but I haven't even had my car a month yet and would really like to get it back. While its almost as fast as the 7 - the seats in the F30 just plain suck.

*EDIT*: They said its the "task module" that has a bad pin - whatever that means..... ETA my trunk will be fixed tomorrow - then I can register the car before leaving for vacation for a week....

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I'm having an issue bringing my car in for the CCP when the only issue I have is adding a quart of oil every 3K and battery discharge due to lack of driving.
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Been in service for 28 days And counting. Programming problems and engineers are involved.
They have replaced a lot of electronics and still can't figure it out. They keep telling me electronics are out of alignment. I don't know what this means
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They have replaced a lot of electronics and still can't figure it out. They keep telling me electronics are out of alignment. I don't know what this means
It means bull$hit. Electronics can be out of sync not alignment. So...

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I had rough idle and CEL afterwards. They think it was the throttle body and replaced that - I pick it up tomorrow and will report back. They say it's "running great" now.

I've owned it for 4 weeks and it's been in the shop for one of those.....
Running great? And it still shakes at idle??
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Old 03-31-2015, 07:28 PM
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No that's why I brought it in. They gave me a mid day report saying after replacing the throttle body it's running great. I haven't picked it up yet to see first hand. I hope to do that tomorrow if the fix the other trunk release issue.
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Old 04-01-2015, 09:53 AM
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I replaced all injectors on more than 4 occasions along with both turbos TWICE. I also replaced both CCVs TWICE, oil pump, MAF, ran chevron gas premium ONLY, fuel filter, and gas line TWICE. I also replaced all head gaskets TWICE. Not to mention all spark plugs and coils on THREE different occassions. And all this was done in less than 2 years prior to the CCP. I had the CCP done and when I pulled out of the lot, I felt a jerk and hesitation with another misfire. I have essentially had several CCPs and the car still never corrected itself. I dont think this is an issue that can be addressed adequately by BMW at this time. sadly so...
That's horrible, the car was probably in the shop longer than you have driven it. Mine just has rough idle now, else it seems OK. OK, by what standards? I don't know, I don't have anything to compare it to, except my Hondas, and they run great.
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[QUOTE=jlbaratta;8994299]I posted these 2 bulletins in the original Results thread, but with so many people having problems after the CCP I wanted to start a new thread so everyone can find it easier. Mods- Feel free to delete this if needed.

I dropped min off for the CCP in early March. Went to pick mine up and didn't make it a mile before check engine light and DTM. Brought it back and they cleared codes etc..... They still have it for the third time and it looks like BMW might have know about problems after CCP. Great.


SI B11 07 15
Engine March 2015
Technical Service
SUBJECT
N63: Quality Control Monitoring After CCP
MODEL
F01 (7 Series Sedan) produced from 9/2008 to 6/2012
F02 (7 Series Sedan LWB) produced from 9/2008 to 6/2012



SITUATION
The complimentary Customer Care Package (SI B11 06 14, SI B11 16 14) was designed exclusively for N63-equipped vehicles to ensure the highest levels of engine performance after its completion.
However, you may encounter a situation in isolated cases where an N63-equipped vehicle still exhibits unacceptable drivability behavior after completion of the CCP, such as:

Rough idle
Misfire faults with or without CEL
Jerking/surges or combustion miss during heavy acceleration, or
Bluish smoke coming from the exhaust on a cold start or after a hot soak
BMW NA Technical Service must be notified of such situations.



And for those of you who had it done with no change to CBS to 10,000 mile/12 months


SI B12 10 15
Engine Electrical Systems March 2015
Technical Service
This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B12 10 15 dated January 2015.
designates changes to this revision

SUBJECT
N63: CBS Oil Service Conversion in ISTA/P
MODEL
F01 (7 Series Sedan)
F02 (7 Series Sedan LWB)


Incorrect coding data in the affected ISTA/P versions
CORRECTION


This seems exactly what is happening, I get misfires and it doesn't register in the computer, and can't get the car to say 10k oil changes.

I am going to show these bulletins to my tech see what he says
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