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Old 08-10-2012, 07:16 AM
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Most Unreliable Car - BMW 3 series Convertible

BMW E93 3 series convertible most unreliable car

German car makers pride themselves on producing high-quality, safe and, most of all, reliable vehicles. But the results of a new consumer watchdog report may have them thinking otherwise.

The BMW 3 Series Convertible has been judged the worst car on the market for breakdowns after spending nearly 3.5 days a year in the garage for repairs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-repairs.html

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Old 08-10-2012, 09:27 AM
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That's why mine's a lease. 3 years and walk away (probably to a new convertible).
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Old 08-10-2012, 10:22 AM
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link in link has survey showing top 10 verts for retaining value. 1 series in gruop but a5 was #1
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Old 08-10-2012, 12:56 PM
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What does this have to do with European Delivery and why is it posted here?

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Old 08-10-2012, 03:59 PM
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Old 08-10-2012, 04:43 PM
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"The popular upmarket soft-top spends almost a day longer off the road every year due to faults than any other car, according to the latest research by Which?"

Sounds like a pretty reliable source to me.

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Old 08-10-2012, 05:44 PM
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I don't believe it - had my 335i eight days now, and not a single glitch!
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Old 08-10-2012, 05:48 PM
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I don't believe it - had my 335i eight days now, and not a single glitch!
Wait till next year and you'll be singing a differnent tune.
The 3.5 days a year the car is off the road are in May. So plan accordingly.

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Old 08-10-2012, 06:13 PM
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3.49 rainy days I hope!

One needs to take such a survey from the Daily Mail with a bit of skepticism, in between all the articles about Obama's brother, Britney Spears and other such serious topics. It has been observed here in the U.S. that when a car is outside of its native environment it can become manifest certain problems, much like an Eskimo breaking into a sweat on a visit to Miami. Take, if you will, the British MGB (an '80, even). When it is hot here in the US, the car tends to overheat. This is because its native environment, the UK, is much cooler and rainier. London, in the south of the UK, is 51 degrees north, and down here at 33 degrees, there's no comparison. My theory is that the 335i, while built in Bavaria, is really targeted to a climate such as the US, where we have warmer and sunnier days (and presumably the biggest export market for the E93). The 3-series convertible BMWs that are consigned to Albion suffer from the fog, rain, and clouds, just as it causes a chill in the bones of some of its residents. This is a scientific and primary reason why I have not yet taken my MGB out of the garage and invested in a restoration. That's my story & I'm sticking to it!
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Old 08-10-2012, 06:58 PM
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Old 08-10-2012, 07:01 PM
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3.49 rainy days I hope!

One needs to take such a survey from the Daily Mail with a bit of skepticism, in between all the articles about Obama's brother, Britney Spears and other such serious topics. It has been observed here in the U.S. that when a car is outside of its native environment it can become manifest certain problems, much like an Eskimo breaking into a sweat on a visit to Miami. Take, if you will, the British MGB (an '80, even). When it is hot here in the US, the car tends to overheat. This is because its native environment, the UK, is much cooler and rainier. London, in the south of the UK, is 51 degrees north, and down here at 33 degrees, there's no comparison. My theory is that the 335i, while built in Bavaria, is really targeted to a climate such as the US, where we have warmer and sunnier days (and presumably the biggest export market for the E93). The 3-series convertible BMWs that are consigned to Albion suffer from the fog, rain, and clouds, just as it causes a chill in the bones of some of its residents. This is a scientific and primary reason why I have not yet taken my MGB out of the garage and invested in a restoration. That's my story & I'm sticking to it!
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Old 08-10-2012, 07:12 PM
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Not my experience. I owned a 335ic MT for about 1.5 years and drove it 35K miles. During that time, the car was bullet proof.
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Old 08-10-2012, 07:23 PM
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I'm not sure the vert is that much worse in terms of reliability vis a vie other 3 series. You can't miss wide spread issues (if they exist) here on the fest. I don't recall any except the vibration/noise thing in the early models. Time will tell. N4S
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Old 08-10-2012, 07:40 PM
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This survey does not agree with my 5 1/2 years of ownership.
I have had no downtime except for scheduled service and I don't think I am atypical.
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The BMW 3 Series Convertible has been judged the worst car on the market for breakdowns after spending nearly 3.5 days a year in the garage for repairs.
Can't say I agree.

My down time other than HPFP, which I don't consider a long term reliability issue, has been limited to oil changes, relay replacement for the top [$10 parts] and frayed cord replacement for the top [couldn't have been more than $10 parts; no-brain procedure].

And an alignment.
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"German car makers pride themselves on producing high-quality, safe and, most of all, reliable vehicles."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-repairs.html
Since when?! That first sentence pretty much completely undermines any claim to knowledge of German cars the writer may claim.
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When did the hard top vert come out? Was it 2008? If so, not much time out of warranty to make a claim like that!

"Which? said: 'These cars are likely to be outside the warranty period - making repairs a potentially much greater expense."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz23D56WgQk
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Can't say I agree.

My down time other than HPFP, which I don't consider a long term reliability issue, has been limited to oil changes, relay replacement for the top [$10 parts] and frayed cord replacement for the top [couldn't have been more than $10 parts; no-brain procedure].

And an alignment.
And certainly not an issue specific to the E93....
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When did the hard top vert come out? Was it 2008? If so, not much time out of warranty to make a claim like that!
hardtops were intorduced in 2007.
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One needs to take such a survey from the Daily Mail with a bit of skepticism. . . .
LOL. That's exactly what I thought when I saw the source.

My 3 year old E93 has had two minor top-related warranty issues and other than that only routine maintenance.

In contrast, the "bullet proof" Honda I had that had a chronic A/C leak (not good in a place like Houston) which after going on for about 5 years finally required a total tear down of the cooling system to diagnose and fix. Of course, in fairness to the car, some of that issue may have been due to ineptitude of the indy who was working on it and is no longer in business.
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"The 2012 Which? Car Survey, which questioned nearly 40,000 drivers about more than 47,000 cars they owned, reveals the cars aged four to eight years old that spend most time off the road."

Stupid name for a survey. That aside, the article doesn't indicate that the reliability issue is related to the hard top mechanism.

Here's the link to the survey page. There's no way to see the methodology or results without paying, but I'm wondering if sample group included a relatively large number of E93 N54 owners and, as such, whether the poor reliability report isn't mainly due to the now-solved HPFP problem.

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Old 08-11-2012, 09:15 AM
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This is B*LLSH!T! I've had my E93 335i for over 5 years and 48k miles. The HPFP recall and a transmission gasket is all the trouble I've experienced with my car. It's been a VERY reliable car and still performs like new, not so much as a rattle or a squeak. And as noted in previous posts, its no stranger to "spirited" handling.

Compare that to a MB SUV I had years ago, 23 repairs in 5 years!
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I basically make my living as a survey researcher. Survey data paid for my BMW. I really have a strong motivation to believe that data. For this reason, you will always see me on this forum defending well done surveys ( like CR). I only believe the criticisms from those type of sources 100%. But, in this case, the article is based on a survey from an unidentified source and we know zero about this methodology. If you buy anything about this, I would like to discuss a business venture with you involving a wealthy patron from Nigeria.

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The BMW 3 Series Convertible has been judged the worst car on the market for breakdowns after spending nearly 3.5 days a year in the garage for repairs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-repairs.html
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