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E60 / E61 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series E60 Sedan was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E61 wagon followed shortly there after. The E60/E61 5 series is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 11-12-2016, 07:00 AM
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Thoughts on N54 engine years

Folks,
I am looking to add another 5 series to augment my daily driver that has nearly 185K. Runs great, but want another option for potential downtime and replacement.
I have read and seen many of the posts on the issues that owners have had with the N54 powered 5 series cars, but would like to hear if anyone can recommend a specific year over others. I am looking at a 2WD '08, and since that was the first model year did it have more problems than later years?
Thanks in advance and have a great weekend,
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Old 11-13-2016, 03:17 PM
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Folks,
I am looking to add another 5 series to augment my daily driver that has nearly 185K. Runs great, but want another option for potential downtime and replacement.
I have read and seen many of the posts on the issues that owners have had with the N54 powered 5 series cars, but would like to hear if anyone can recommend a specific year over others. I am looking at a 2WD '08, and since that was the first model year did it have more problems than later years?
Thanks in advance and have a great weekend,
Fred
It always varies for the individual car, but I wouldn't buy an N54 earlier than a 10. It was a fundamentally new engine evolution, and there was a (relatively) higher incidence of issues in '08, and less in '09.

We talking probabilities here -- lots of folks have been fine with their 08-09 after the recalls and issues relevant to a new engine were solved.
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Old 11-13-2016, 06:50 PM
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I think they all have the same issues. Injectors, carbon buildup, fuel pump, wastegate rattle, water pump.
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Old 11-14-2016, 04:41 PM
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+1 all have same issues
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Old 11-14-2016, 05:01 PM
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What about power? Isn't there hp reductions in later years?
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Old 11-14-2016, 06:14 PM
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What about power? Isn't there hp reductions in later years?
Not that I am aware of.
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Old 11-14-2016, 06:19 PM
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What about power? Isn't there hp reductions in later years?
no. 300/300 and 300/300. although all them horses have moved around the rev range a tiny bit.
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Old 11-14-2016, 08:04 PM
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Hmm Wikipedia says this, is all:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N54#Models
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Old 11-15-2016, 07:19 AM
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All E60s the same.
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Old 11-15-2016, 07:55 AM
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Hmm Wikipedia says this, is all:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N54#Models
Interesting, but the first N54 was introduced on 335i as 2007 MY, and from whet I've seen actually this is one that may have been ringers from factory. This model alone create defection from Audi turbo fans/tuners to BMW flagship.

But yet the wiki shows 2007 N54 produce only 300hp, and 2008 on E60 and yet again wiki says 320HP.

The is version no doubt is tuned a bit for 335is and Z4 is, to produce 340HP
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Interesting, but the first N54 was introduced on 335i as 2007 MY, and from whet I've seen actually this is one that may have been ringers from factory. This model alone create defection from Audi turbo fans/tuners to BMW flagship.

But yet the wiki shows 2007 N54 produce only 300hp, and 2008 on E60 and yet again wiki says 320HP.

The is version no doubt is tuned a bit for 335is and Z4 is, to produce 340HP
The US spec N54 for the 335 and 535 was advertised as 300/300. Now, reportedly, German horses are more powerful than, say Japanese horses, but when the N54 was sold here, it was 300/300 except for the 335is. Either the Wiki is wrong, or includes engines not sold here, or someone posted numbers from a dyno test.
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Old 11-15-2016, 08:12 AM
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After looking at it again, it looks like the E60s all have the same engine, but different applications have different power outputs.
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Old 11-16-2016, 03:30 AM
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I saw a stock dyno on a couple 335i N54 engines. Those things pull close to 400 HP stock at the flywheel at certain times especially pulling from 3rd gear. The N54 is heavily underrated. Almost every engine BMW has made has been underrated by the factory.
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Old 11-16-2016, 05:11 AM
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I can give you my experience with my 08 535xi. I have owned it since 2010.
Bought it with 20,000 miles and now has 76000. Overall runs very well but when there are problems the computer systems in the car are designed to go into limp mode to protect the engine.
This is a good thing but it can leave you stranded with little warning.

The car is relatively easy to work in for basic repairs but parts costs are high. Labor is high if you go to the dealer.

Prices have dropped quite a bit now and I would say go for it. I plan to keep mine another 3 to 5 years.
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Old 11-16-2016, 09:34 AM
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I can give you my experience with my 08 535xi. I have owned it since 2010.
Bought it with 20,000 miles and now has 76000. Overall runs very well but when there are problems the computer systems in the car are designed to go into limp mode to protect the engine.
This is a good thing but it can leave you stranded with little warning.

The car is relatively easy to work in for basic repairs but parts costs are high. Labor is high if you go to the dealer.

Prices have dropped quite a bit now and I would say go for it. I plan to keep mine another 3 to 5 years.
The N54 is really the baby version of S54 IMHO. BMW hits jackpot on N54.


Yup I like my E60 alot, hard to look at newer 5, it gets bigger n bigger. So the 3-series seems to be the right size now for me.
And I hate the electric steering, wish the steering software may trickle from M to non M soon.
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Old 11-16-2016, 11:08 AM
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i've had many many many BMWs now. my favs were my 94 530i and 06 530i. the 08 535xi.....not as much a fan. my 07 750li, that thing I had to fix pretty much everything.
02 4.4 had vanos issues. even the newer 6 cyls have more problems.

In BMWs efforts to sell more cars, they are building worse cars now. And I hate that, as I've got tons of equipment to work on them. I really dont know what i
lll be buying in the future, as I think the newer BMWs dont look as good, and the problems seem to be more and more
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