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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 08-31-2012, 10:23 AM
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What does this thread have to do with whether or n ot your allowd to buy an f30? Isn't this thread about the size of the f30 - which is a completely personal and subjective opinion anyway?



Did you answer my question about checking out other brands?
If you had followed this whole painful thread, the "allowed to" reference has been a running joke with BJ, where apparently I need his nod of approval to join his club.

BJ, I have not given up on the F30 yet and do want to drive an m-sport. Not sure how that's going to happen as I'm sure all the cars will be spoken for at the dealer.
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Old 08-31-2012, 10:47 AM
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What does this thread have to do with whether or n ot your allowd to buy an f30? Isn't this thread about the size of the f30 - which is a completely personal and subjective opinion anyway?
Nothing personal nor subjective about it. As the owner of an E46 convert and a member of the dwindling fraternity of true BMW purists, the F30 is TOO BIG. It's a fact, accept it, and nobody gets hurt
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Old 08-31-2012, 10:50 AM
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If you had followed this whole painful thread, the "allowed to" reference has been a running joke with BJ, where apparently I need his nod of approval to join his club.

BJ, I have not given up on the F30 yet and do want to drive an m-sport. Not sure how that's going to happen as I'm sure all the cars will be spoken for at the dealer.
I've seen M sports on lots. 8AT models but the the M is there.
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Old 08-31-2012, 10:55 AM
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Nothing personal nor subjective about it. As the owner of an E46 convert and a member of the dwindling fraternity of true BMW purists, the F30 is TOO BIG. It's a fact, accept it, and nobody gets hurt
Here we go again....
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Old 08-31-2012, 11:09 AM
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Here we go again....
All in good fun. Besides, the bandwidth's free
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Old 08-31-2012, 11:16 AM
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Yeah but this thread has basically boiled down to a difference of 2-3% in wheelbase and body length being debated as "too big" or "too small"

On a road-driven (not tracked) vehicle for those asking.
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Old 08-31-2012, 11:30 AM
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Yeah but this thread has basically boiled down to a difference of 2-3% in wheelbase and body length being debated as "too big" or "too small"

On a road-driven (not tracked) vehicle for those asking.
I think it is more about the new styling. The F30 looks so much like the new 5 series. It is leaning a lot more to the "executive look" rather "sporty look" now. People who don't like such trend will feel the car bigger, because it looks more bloated.
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Old 08-31-2012, 11:54 AM
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I think it is more about the new styling. The F30 looks so much like the new 5 series. It is leaning a lot more to the "executive look" rather "sporty look" now. People who don't like such trend will feel the car bigger, because it looks more bloated.
I don't mind that it looks like the 5, as I think they are a huge improvement over that E60 mess they put out.

I had test-driven the sales manager's car, mineral gray sport line 8AT. Pulled my car right next to it after driving it. Biggest difference visually vs. E46, and E90, is the hood length, and I felt that on the test drive. Like I said, I need to live with one for more than a ten minute ride to know if I can live with it long term.

All I know is that when I got back in my car, I preferred the driving position and the awareness of all four corners of the car. The driving dynamics are just so different, not bad, just different.
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Old 08-31-2012, 12:22 PM
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That's fair. Seating position and body panel placement is incredibly important to the driving experience. I can't stand the new e-class mercedes for that reason....seating is too low, hood too high and too long. But that's also something mercedes drivers have enjoyed for al ong time, so I don't blame mercedes.

And, in that regard, the e46, like the e30, like the 2002, had a great sedan greenhouse and seating position to truly feel awareness of each car corner.
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And, in that regard, the e46, like the e30, like the 2002, had a great sedan greenhouse and seating position to truly feel awareness of each car corner.
Doesn't such feel have some to do with the smaller sizes? When I drove a semi way back when, I certainly could not recall feeling the rear corners.

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Old 08-31-2012, 12:47 PM
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Here we go again....
Can you help us get the 12 year old M5 owner and the 11 year old E46 owner to go back to their respective subforums instead of trolling this one?

I've tried myself but they don't respect anyone with money.

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Old 08-31-2012, 12:52 PM
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Nothing personal nor subjective about it. As the owner of an E46 convert and a member of the dwindling fraternity of true BMW purists, the F30 is TOO BIG. It's a fact, accept it, and nobody gets hurt
Agreed. I feel the same about the E90 vs E46. I really regret not picking up a low mileage E46 330 vs the E90 328i, just so hard to find in good condition.
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That's fair. Seating position and body panel placement is incredibly important to the driving experience. I can't stand the new e-class mercedes for that reason....seating is too low, hood too high and too long. But that's also something mercedes drivers have enjoyed for al ong time, so I don't blame mercedes.

And, in that regard, the e46, like the e30, like the 2002, had a great sedan greenhouse and seating position to truly feel awareness of each car corner.
This was my biggest complaint about the e90... you sat in a bathtub, unlike the e46 where you were given a commanding view of the world.
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Old 08-31-2012, 01:31 PM
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This was my biggest complaint about the e90... you sat in a bathtub, unlike the e46 where you were given a commanding view of the world.
No adjustable seats? It is true on the track the seat needs to be moved down to accommodate the helmet.
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Old 08-31-2012, 06:59 PM
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That's fair. Seating position and body panel placement is incredibly important to the driving experience. I can't stand the new e-class mercedes for that reason....seating is too low, hood too high and too long. But that's also something mercedes drivers have enjoyed for al ong time, so I don't blame mercedes.

And, in that regard, the e46, like the e30, like the 2002, had a great sedan greenhouse and seating position to truly feel awareness of each car corner.
I think this is it. I don't like the feeling that I'm sitting in a hole with more limited view of road closest to the car. There are much worse cars as to driving position, with high belt lines and seats low to the floor - can't stand that. F30 is not in that class at all but I feel it relative to E46.

One of the best cars I ever owned was an 89 Honda Prelude 5 spd, bought that new. Man what a car, rock solid build quality from Honda at that time, great clutch and short throws on shifter, handled great, was light, you could wind that engine out, it got great gas mileage too.

Best thing about it was the driving position. Super comfortable seats that were high relative to floor, perfect windshield angle, very low hood that you couldn't see from the car. Absolute pleasure to drive. Wish I didn't sell it, but it got broken into at work in a botched theft. I came out to car and found a broken drill bit in my driver side lock and the passenger side was all busted up too. M*therf*cker - I had to get practically the whole car repainted and she wasn't a virgin anymore...
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Agreed. I feel the same about the E90 vs E46. I really regret not picking up a low mileage E46 330 vs the E90 328i, just so hard to find in good condition.
They're still around. This one is offered at $18.8.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=941221

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Can you help us get the 12 year old M5 owner and the 11 year old E46 owner to go back to their respective subforums instead of trolling this one?

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BJ, you're the best!
Guy walks into a bar, says "Hey, I own an old BMW, is the new BMW too big?"

Bartender says "I can't afford one, you spoiled assholes act like a bunch of little girls."

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Guy walks into a bar, says "Hey, I own an old BMW, is the new BMW too big?"

Bartender says "I can't afford one, you spoiled assholes act like a bunch of little girls."

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Good Heavens. Turn up the thermostat in the garage fer cryin' out loud. That's what everyone does here.


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Good Heavens. Turn up the thermostat in the garage fer cryin' out loud. That's what everyone does here.


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LOLZ. Whoa is us. The 335i is too big and the 135i is too small. Oh, the humanity.

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Picked up my wifes 2013 335I x, got out of her 328I x 2010. Wow what a difference and feels way bigger but drives awesome compared to the old one!
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Agree. The ZHP is still among the best looking/driving 3 series sedans ever. I tried for months to get into a good used ZHP and finally gave up as owners had an inflated view of worth v. repairs needed. Still if someone put a decent mileage 2004/2005 6MT ZHP sedan with leather in San Diego for about 15-16k, I'd bite. All I see locally are 17-20k offerings.
Is this really what people are asking/expecting? I suppose every local market is different, but...
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Is this really what people are asking/expecting? I suppose every local market is different, but...
People always think their **** is worth gold. My ZHP is worth $12k. I could ask $20k for it, but nobody will buy it.
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Picked up my wifes 2013 335I x, got out of her 328I x 2010. Wow what a difference and feels way bigger but drives awesome compared to the old one!
So let me get this straight:
  • More capacity.
  • More horsepower.
  • Tighter handling.
  • Superior acceleration.
  • Lighter agility.
  • Dramatically enhanced interior.
  • Cutting-edge technology.
  • Same price as it's always been.

Yeah, I can see why people can hate on the F30. LOL.

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