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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 09-01-2012, 04:34 PM
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That just means you have bad taste. I never would have thought that.
Just means I HAD bad taste. A realization you will eventually admit to. :-)
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No, I bought a $55,000 car and removed a few options to bring it down to $49,000. The F30 is designed as a fully loaded luxury car and BMW smartly allows it to be deconstructed for those on a budget.

You keep trying to pick a fight, so fine, let's fight. I'm not the one with the identity crisis. You decided to buck conventional wisdom and purchase a 12 year old used car. And, I might add, the one BMW that has never made any sense. Let's take the larger body, the heavier chassis, the spacious cabin and turn it into a pretend sportscar to take the midlife crisis Corvette customer head-on. Yeah, okay.

Respectfully, you like your car and I like mine. We're not going to agree here. Why not go back to the 2001 5 Series subforum and allow the other used car people to drown you in praise for your 'awesome' antique ride? Why stick your nose in here when you a) like bloated cars, b) like used cars, and c) dislike the F30?

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? I'm a fan of the f30 - that's why I'm here. And, as a fan and potential owner one day, I know well that it's a basic entry level car that is souped up for the US market, then allowed to be expensively optioned up another 20k - many options of which are total ripoffs bought by those who want a fully optioned car. I know marketing well, and BMW is a master marketer.

One of the reasons I like the f30 is that it is a "bloated" car the size and weight of the e39 of yore. A 530i weighed about the same as your car BJ. So I guess you like bloated cars too and it wouldn't make sense for BMW to make an m3?

Besides, I have been a member here for over five years and I am taking part in a time honored tradition here in my discourse with you
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Old 09-01-2012, 06:53 PM
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Compared to my E90 M-Sport, all of those statements are 100% true.

It almost feels like I'm driving a completely different, brand new car.

Because I am.

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I think the E30 and E36 325i's were pretty good track cars stock or close to stock, (I tracked my E36) but agree on the E46 and onward. If they were, BMW wouldn't move a 10th as many as they do now.
You never tracked your ZHP? Loved it at the track. I wouldn't dream of taking my F30 to a track... no roadfeel and it's so darn long and wide it'd feel like I was trying to whip around in a LeSabre.

I figure I'll put in 2-3 years with it and by then, ideally, a 4 door 1 series M model will finally be on the market in the US to compete in the space vacated by the 3 two generations ago.

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You never tracked your ZHP? Loved it at the track. I wouldn't dream of taking my F30 to a track... no roadfeel and it's so darn long and wide it'd feel like I was trying to whip around in a LeSabre.

I figure I'll put in 2-3 years with it and by then, ideally, a 4 door 1 series M model will finally be on the market in the US to compete in the space vacated by the 3 two generations ago.
I think F30 is probably the biggest 3 series to take to the track, any bigger would not be good to whip around. The F30 328i does have proper weight balance for the track.

It is the daily drive that will suffer from the lack of road feel.
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I think F30 is probably the biggest 3 series to take to the track, any bigger would not be good to whip around. The F30 328i does have proper weight balance for the track.

It is the daily drive that will suffer from the lack of road feel.
Why would you ever track an F30 328i? IMO, track cars should be much lighter than an F30.
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Why would you ever track an F30 328i? IMO, track cars should be much lighter than an F30.
Not everyone can have a dedicated track car you know.
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Old 09-01-2012, 09:46 PM
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Not everyone can have a dedicated track car you know.
I understand that, but from what has been posted here about the new 328i, I can't imagine it would be much of a track car, unless you did some mods with the suspension, etc., etc. Then, it would lose it's street driving manners and you would end up with a car that's not great at either.
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I understand that, but from what has been posted here about the new 328i, I can't imagine it would be much of a track car, unless you did some mods with the suspension, etc., etc. Then, it would lose it's street driving manners and you would end up with a car that's not great at either.
Exactly.

The 3 Series has become the old 5 Series.

The 1 Series has become the old 3 Series.

Everyone is happy with that strategy except a tiny few who try to make the 3 into something it isn't like a dragster or a spec Miata. No one ever said that a $50,000 German luxury car also had to double as a track racer. The 3 Series is a luxury car with sporty tendencies. Tendencies, not it's focus. It's a status symbol that allows its driver to go, ooh, 10 MPH faster in curves. We're so badass.

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I understand that, but from what has been posted here about the new 328i, I can't imagine it would be much of a track car, unless you did some mods with the suspension, etc., etc. Then, it would lose it's street driving manners and you would end up with a car that's not great at either.
If you read BJ, true. Luckily there are few threads where BJ had no interest in, there you can read how the 328i can be equipped from the factory to be a very good car on the track, yet still nice as a family hauler.
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Exactly.

The 3 Series has become the old 5 Series.

The 1 Series has become the old 3 Series.

Everyone is happy with that strategy except a tiny few who try to make the 3 into something it isn't like a dragster or a spec Miata. No one ever said that a $50,000 German luxury car also had to double as a track racer. The 3 Series is a luxury car with sporty tendencies. Tendencies, not it's focus. It's a status symbol that allows its driver to go, ooh, 10 MPH faster in curves. We're so badass.

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The problem is that BMW USA doesn't implement the full strategy by not bringing over the 1 series 5 door, which is what people overseas buy if the 3 series is too big. I expect a 1 series sedan will debut soon, and then people will have no reason to complain.
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The problem is that BMW USA doesn't implement the full strategy by not bringing over the 1 series 5 door, which is what people overseas buy if the 3 series is too big. I expect a 1 series sedan will debut soon, and then people will have no reason to complain.
I wish. They'll say they hate the styling or that it's a tad too small. It's always something.

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I didn't mention Porsche for the same reason I didn't mention an M3, we're talking about sedans.

But it's one reason I balk at spending $55k on a 335i, cause to blow that kind of money on a car, I want it to be more than nice, it has to get the blood flowing in my extremities. Even my ZHP is borderline in that department. It's no M3.
Cayman coming off lease. Save big $ over 335i; out-handle M3. Not a sedan, but hey....what's there quickly makes it a non-issue. What's been an issue is size. I'm a tall boy.

Mighta done it anyway if not for the lovely origami my ride does. LOVE the hard top! Had to do a few things to make it perform reasonably well.

Didn't like Boxster 'till this year - frankly, if I do purchase another sporto ride, that or 911 may be it....gotta go top down.


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Cayman coming off lease. Save big $ over 335i; out-handle M3. Not a sedan, but hey....what's there quickly makes it a non-issue. What's been an issue is size. I'm a tall boy.

Mighta done it anyway if not for the lovely origami my ride does. LOVE the hard top! Had to do a few things to make it perform reasonably well.

Didn't like Boxster 'till this year - frankly, if I do purchase another sporto ride, that or 911 may be it....gotta go top down.


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Except that those who want a sedan do so for a reason. I'd love to own a Cayman except for me the 3 series is our family car and I have a 2 year old son.
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Except that those who want a sedan do so for a reason. I'd love to own a Cayman except for me the 3 series is our family car and I have a 2 year old son.

Yo! Now's the time to find that minivan....the excellent vehicle for 3 or more, Costco runs, kid hauling, Lowes/Home Depot, vacations, family gatherings, you name it.

Frees up daddy for sumthin' special.

They come into their own for dads at 2....congrats!


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Except that those who want a sedan do so for a reason. I'd love to own a Cayman except for me the 3 series is our family car and I have a 2 year old son.
Then stick with your sedan and be a great Dad to your son. Get into track racing later in life when you have the time and money for yourself.
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I wish. They'll say they hate the styling or that it's a tad too small. It's always something.

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People who complain that 3 series is getting too big, cannot complain 1 series is too small, but it is commonly agreed 1 series is butt ugly.

For 3 series, whether the styling is nice or not is usually divided. There is no division on 1 series.
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Then stick with your sedan and be a great Dad to your son. Get into track racing later in life when you have the time and money for yourself.
Or get a custom ordered F30 and have both. As I said it is likely the last gen 3, where it's size and weight are still acceptable for the power and driving dynamics it delivers.

In other words, F30 is closest, but still not the ultimate status symbol yet. Wait for the next gen 3, BJ will get it, and bad-mouth his used F30L like he describes those single moms he runs into at Wal-Mart.
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People who complain that 3 series is getting too big, cannot complain 1 series is too small, but it is commonly agreed 1 series is butt ugly.

For 3 series, whether the styling is nice or not is usually divided. There is no division on 1 series.

Say it ain't so!




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People who complain that 3 series is getting too big, cannot complain 1 series is too small, but it is commonly agreed 1 series is butt ugly.

For 3 series, whether the styling is nice or not is usually divided. There is no division on 1 series.
Really? The 1 Series looks just like the E46. They should love the thing.

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In other words, F30 is closest, but still not the ultimate status symbol yet. Wait for the next gen 3, BJ will get it, and bad-mouth his used F30L like he describes those single moms he runs into at Wal-Mart.




For the record, I have no badmouthing of the E93 and E90 that I've previously owned except for how the F30 feels lighter, quicker, and more comfortable. I wouldn't change a thing about my E9X days. However, a BMW is a status symbol and nothing says "I don't have money anymore but once did" like wearing a Members Only jacket or driving an old BMW.

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Yes, I can totally see it. The one series is butt ugly. One could even say fugly. The model year shown has this crazy look to it that says "I'll kill you all wile you sleep and fuel my rage with your intestines".

The new 1 Series just has a sad look to it. Like "I'm sorry my daddy killed your family...".

With some nicer headlights they could be good looking cars.
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@cal - that 1 has it all over the 3 and 6 series coupes in the most important way: size. Those proportions are perfect. If I weren't looking down the barrel of a rear-facing baby-seat in December (2nd kid), I woulda loved to have gone with a 135i. That car's stupid fun in ways the 3 coupe simply isn't (to me).

Now the promise of a 1 sedan/hatch...yummy. Let's put it this way, I've had my F30 for 3 days. And I've had no desire to drive it the past two. Sad testament to what BMW's made.

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People who complain that 3 series is getting too big, cannot complain 1 series is too small, but it is commonly agreed 1 series is butt ugly.

For 3 series, whether the styling is nice or not is usually divided. There is no division on 1 series.
I priced out a 135 (as well as a M3 coupe) before I made the Goldilocks decision to buy the 335is ("This one is just right"). The 135 came out at $51,399 and just didn't have the presence of the 335is.

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I wish. They'll say they hate the styling or that it's a tad too small. It's always something.

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Of course, the reason the 3 has gotten so big is cause BMW's customers complain to much about rear leg room, headroom, trunk space, ease of parking etc.

For every enthusiast complaining the 3 should have an LSD, there's 10 secretaries complaining the steering's too heavy for parking.
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