All BMWs SAT (S1-S7) w/o 2TB (Paddle Shifters) you ask?

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Shawn....I'll be down to Houston soon and really want this! Lol n

Just PM me. I'll hook your car up.

Originally Posted by tissot

I changed both settings. Now it works!
EGS / 3000 Applikation
Sportschalter_alt = aktiv
Sportschalter = aktiv

Glad to hear it.

So, so far we a 528i and a 520D where both had to be set to Aktiv for it to work. Not seeing the reason here yet.

Originally Posted by shawnsheridan

Glad to hear it.
So, so far we a 528i and a 520D where both had to be set to Aktiv for it to work. Not seeing the reason here yet.

I noticed that shifting is a little bit faster and lag is smaller. Maybe in powerful engines (535,550) sport gearbox softwere is by default
Did you notice any changes?

Originally Posted by tissot

I noticed that shifting is a little bit faster and lag is smaller. Maybe in powerful engines (535,550) sport gearbox softwere is by default
Did you notice any changes?

It actually feels quicker off the line, but I dismissed it as wishful thinking. I don't know for sure. It does feel different though.

My 535i has no sport package or M sport. I had to switch BOTH

Sportschalter_alt = aktiv
Sportschalter = aktiv

for it to work. I tried just Sportschalter_alt = aktiv first and no luck, when I switched BOTH of them it worked perfectly.

Thanks again for the Post Shawn !!

Originally Posted by shawnsheridan

Yes, but did you also try just Sportschalter_alt = aktiv first by itself?

I tried coding Sportschalter_alt = aktiv only and I did not get the S1-S7 display. When I code both
Sportschalter_alt = aktiv
Sportschalter = aktiv

I get S1-S7.

I had to change both to show S1-S7

I'm sill trying to figure out how to get the S1-S7 to display when I put the tranny into sport mode via the adaptive driving toggle. If anyone figures that one out please let me know.

Originally Posted by Sharbotcom

I'm sill trying to figure out how to get the S1-S7 to display when I put the tranny into sport mode via the adaptive driving toggle. If anyone figures that one out please let me know.

The DEC Sport Mode is Suspension and Steering, with no bearing on the transmission shift points I don't think.

Drivetrain is effected (if selected). In my case the tranny absolutely goes into sport (no 8th gear) mode since I have drivetrain selected to be controlled. Whether I pop the shifter to the left or toggle the the switch to sport mode, the tranny reacts the same (of course I have to either move the shifter or tap the paddles if I want to force a gear change but other than that the tranny reacts the exact same.

Originally Posted by Sharbotcom

Drivetrain is effected (if selected). In my case the tranny absolutely goes into sport (no 8th gear) mode since I have drivetrain selected to be controlled. Whether I pop the shifter to the left or toggle the the switch to sport mode, the tranny reacts the same (of course I have to either move the shifter or tap the paddles if I want to force a gear change but other than that the tranny reacts the exact same.

I don't know. I do not think they are the same. One can have DEC Sport, or SAT Sport, or both simultaneously. Two distinctly different systems.

I'm going to do a test run later tonight where I'll note the gear changes, etc. when I put the tranny in sport via the toggle and via the shifter. I'm ivory pure (99.44%) sure the tranny is behaving the same in both those modes. If it was not then there would need to be three distinct operating modes (besides manual shifting M1-M7): normal; sport (induced by moving the shifter to the left); and sport (induced via the adaptive drive toggle).

Originally Posted by Sharbotcom

I'm going to do a test run later tonight where I'll note the gear changes, etc. when I put the tranny in sport via the toggle and via the shifter. I'm ivory pure (99.44%) sure the tranny is behaving the same in both those modes. If it was not then there would need to be three distinct operating modes (besides manual shifting M1-M7): normal; sport (induced by moving the shifter to the left); and sport (induced via the adaptive drive toggle).

Sorry, I should have mentioned above Throttle too. My understanding is that the Standard 8 Speed Auto DEC Sport Mode with DHP adjusts Steering, Throttle, and Suspension. Without DHP, I think it is just Steering and Throttle. In either case, for transmission adjustment, you need SAT.

I commented earlier that it was easy to make the change but unfortunately I was not able to test it at the time (wife's car). When I did, I still only got DS. I then tried change both items, and still no change to S1-S7. I have a 2013 X3 28i with no M-Sport, SAV, or paddle shifters (again, wife's car).

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

I commented earlier that it was easy to make the change but unfortunately I was not able to test it at the time (wife's car). When I did, I still only got DS. I then tried change both items, and still no change to S1-S7. I have a 2013 X3 28i with no M-Sport, SAV, or paddle shifters (again, wife's car).

Is 2TB SAT an option on the X3?

I did my ride tonight and I gotta tell ya, there is ) difference in the behavior of the tranny between popping the shifter to the left ot togglinh to sport mode using the adaptive drive switch (with drivetrain turned on in the settings). The transmission acts identically in both settings. So my question is if it goes into the same mode why doesn't BMW display the S1-S7 when we are in "sport" mode (again, providing you have drivetrain effected in the settings)? BTW, if I slide the shifter to the left when I'm already in "sport" mode nothing changes (except the ability to manually change the gears).

Originally Posted by Sharbotcom

I did my ride tonight and I gotta tell ya, there is ) difference in the behavior of the tranny between popping the shifter to the left ot togglinh to sport mode using the adaptive drive switch (with drivetrain turned on in the settings). The transmission acts identically in both settings. So my question is if it goes into the same mode why doesn't BMW display the S1-S7 when we are in "sport" mode (again, providing you have drivetrain effected in the settings)? BTW, if I slide the shifter to the left when I'm already in "sport" mode nothing changes (except the ability to manually change the gears).

I hear you, but I just can't imagine that BMW would have the DEC Sport Mode, and the Gear DS Mode both adjusting the transmission shift points.

@shawn
mayby try change "Sportschalter = aktiv", mayby then you will have some changes in shifting, not only s1-s7 on display.

Originally Posted by Sharbotcom

I did my ride tonight and I gotta tell ya, there is ) difference in the behavior of the tranny between popping the shifter to the left ot togglinh to sport mode using the adaptive drive switch (with drivetrain turned on in the settings). The transmission acts identically in both settings. So my question is if it goes into the same mode why doesn't BMW display the S1-S7 when we are in "sport" mode (again, providing you have drivetrain effected in the settings)? BTW, if I slide the shifter to the left when I'm already in "sport" mode nothing changes (except the ability to manually change the gears).

Well, I'll be damned. You are correct. I did my own test drive this morning, by putting the car in regular D Mode and setting the cruise control to 70 mph. My RPM's were at 1800, then I moved the gear shift to DS Mode, and it dropped a gear and went to 2700 RPM, and then after about 30 seconds it went up a gear and stabilized at 2250 RPM.

I then put it back in back in regular D Mode, and moved the DEC Switch to Sport, and the transmission did the same exact thing. No difference. They are the same thing. I guess I just never noticed before because I always drive in DS Mode, so when I activate DEC Sport, there is no change with the transmission since it is already in Sport Mode.

Then I read this, which confirms it:

Driving Experience Control (Sport):

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...trol.html#more

A touch of the Driving Experience Control next to the gearshift lever changes the level of driving pleasure from COMFORT to SPORT: the engine responds more spontaneously to the accelerator and the eight-speed transmission Steptronic lets the engine rev high before quickly changing up a gear. At the same time the steering and chassis tighten.

So, DEC Sport is indeed adjusting the Throttle, Transmission, Steering, and Chassis.

I am with you now Sharbotcom. The transmission display ought to show DS when in the DEC Sport Mode.

Thanks Shawn. I appreciate the effort to follow up on my understanding. Now my question goes back to: "Why doesn't BMW have the S1-S7 displayed when you enter in sport mode (transmission) when you do it via the toggle?" I'll keep looking for a coding answer but I suspect there may be triggered by a relay on the shifter instead of the tranny itself.

I don't understand, do we need a special tool to do the coding? Or we can just use a software installed on the computer to do it?
What is needed actually?
Thanks

Originally Posted by vesper

I don't understand, do we need a special tool to do the coding? Or we can just use a software installed on the computer to do it?
What is needed actually?
Thanks

To Code, you need E-Sys coding application, PSdZdata coding data files, and an ENET Cable.

Hi Shawn,
Thank you so much for the quick reply. I really appreciate it.
Anyway, do you know where i can buy the enet cables? I would love to buy them for me to try out coding myself.
Also, do you know where can i download the e sys application?
Thanks again.

Originally Posted by vesper

Hi Shawn,
Thank you so much for the quick reply. I really appreciate it.
Anyway, do you know where i can buy the enet cables? I would love to buy them for me to try out coding myself.
Also, do you know where can i download the e sys application?
Thanks again.

PM sent.

Thanks a lot Shawn for the information.