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F12 / F13 (2012 - Current)
The future is now! The all new 6 series coupe (F12) and convertible (F13) details are out and dealers are taking orders. Still no word on when the 4 door Gran Coupe will go into production.

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Old 09-15-2013, 10:20 AM
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From the Oct issue of Motor Trend. Long term test of a '13 650 Gran coupe M Sport.
While some have posted no problems with oil consumption, others are seeing it right away. My concern as well about a problem down the road. Don't understand the complex oil check procedure as well. Why the hell not keep the dipstick as backup or to check level when not running?




Premium unleaded is not the only thing the Gran Coupe likes to drink, either. The low oil level warning light flashed on at just 2600 miles, causing mild consternation, not just because I was traveling at 70 mph on a freeway at the time, but also because the last long-term BMW I ran (a 730d back in England in 2003) did 18,000 hard miles without me even lifting the hood. Checking the oil is quite a ritual. You must first park on a level surface with the transmission in Park or Neutral, and the engine idling at operating temperature. Then you have to hit the menu button on iDrive controller, scroll to "Vehicle Info," depress the controller button again, scroll to the fourth icon down, and depress the controller once more. The revs will rise from normal idle speed of 750 rpm to 1100 rpm, and 72 seconds later, you'll be told how much oil to add. Ah technology…making our lives simpler. The computer told me the Gran Coupe needed a quart, which was a little worrying after so few miles. Was it simply under-filled at the factory? Is the twin-turbo V-8 an oil-burner during break-in? Or is there a more sinister problem lurking? I feel like the guy in the horror movie who's just realized that gorgeous blonde he's dating could be an ax murderer.
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Old 09-15-2013, 04:20 PM
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My last quart was added at 7770 miles, and I'm now approaching 13,800 miles. I think the service guys changed my oil once since then, but I've had no other issues with oil consumption. Gas consumption, on the other hand...


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Old 09-15-2013, 04:39 PM
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I've got the same engine as the '12's, and it's needed oil top offs fairly regularly - about every 3-5k miles. It's not too hard to find a dealer that will do it for free, at least for the 4 years the car is under the maintenance warranty. Not really much of a hassle as I just drop in without an appointment, say what's up to everyone, and I'm back on the road in a few minutes. Could always buy a couple of extra quarts to keep in your garage in case you find yourself short on time and don't want to mess around with the dealer. Really nothing to be concerned about in my opinion.
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Old 09-15-2013, 05:35 PM
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I've got the same engine as the '12's, and it's needed oil top offs fairly regularly - about every 3-5k miles. It's not too hard to find a dealer that will do it for free, at least for the 4 years the car is under the maintenance warranty. Not really much of a hassle as I just drop in without an appointment, say what's up to everyone, and I'm back on the road in a few minutes. Could always buy a couple of extra quarts to keep in your garage in case you find yourself short on time and don't want to mess around with the dealer. Really nothing to be concerned about in my opinion.
Well if it keeps burning oil long after break-in , that eliminates that possibility. It does bother me - why does this engine burn so much oil? I have been on the Benz forums looking into the E550 coupe - which has the same engine layout. 4.6L twin-turbo VVTI 32v V8 with direct injection,ect. No complaints of oil burning. I just have the same uneasy feeling as the motor trend guy - could this be a issue down the road.............
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My last quart was added at 7770 miles, and I'm now approaching 13,800 miles. I think the service guys changed my oil once since then, but I've had no other issues with oil consumption. Gas consumption, on the other hand...


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Good to hear from you southern. That's the thing about this issue, some guys burn none, some alot. BTW - my local dealer just got a '14 650 M sport edition in, going down Tues for a test drive. (not my colors silver over black) but want to check out the new stuff especially the digital dash. See what they say about oil consumption - and of course that pesky trunk !!
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Well if it keeps burning oil long after break-in , that eliminates that possibility. It does bother me - why does this engine burn so much oil? I have been on the Benz forums looking into the E550 coupe - which has the same engine layout. 4.6L twin-turbo VVTI 32v V8 with direct injection,ect. No complaints of oil burning. I just have the same uneasy feeling as the motor trend guy - could this be a issue down the road.............
These high performance engines are always sort of a risk in the long-term. I'd be more concerned with long-term turbo failure (already happening to some 09/10 owners of F01's) than the oil burning issue though, as it's not like it's an oil-leaking issue. The engine may run hotter than the benz engine even though the displacement is similar, since the architecture and mapping of the engines are still very different.
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Old 09-16-2013, 04:57 AM
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These high performance engines are always sort of a risk in the long-term. I'd be more concerned with long-term turbo failure (already happening to some 09/10 owners of F01's) than the oil burning issue though, as it's not like it's an oil-leaking issue. The engine may run hotter than the benz engine even though the displacement is similar, since the architecture and mapping of the engines are still very different.
Agreed that the Benz engine is a different architecture, it's not reverse flow hot V. But in this comparison I have to give the advantage to Benz- accomplish the same overall goals without the oil burning. And I'd be willing to bet the hotter running BMW design has something to do with those turbo failures.
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Just as an FYI, I got my very first "add a quart of oil" today at 10,064 miles.
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Do you do mostly highway driving? From the F01 forum it sounds like those of us that do the most city driving need the most frequent oil re-ups. I do pretty much all city driving, and still drive like a 16 year old, so it seems like mine has needed them almost twice as often as the others.
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Do you do mostly highway driving? From the F01 forum it sounds like those of us that do the most city driving need the most frequent oil re-ups. I do pretty much all city driving, and still drive like a 16 year old, so it seems like mine has needed them almost twice as often as the others.
I have a good variety of driving conditions (city, hwy, country, fast, slow), but a fair amount of it is country roads. I also break-in my cars hard, which may or may not matter. My 550xi, which took many trips down the drag strip, lasted 10,885 miles before the first add. Mrs D's X5M with the S63 is the leader of our BMW V8 pack, since it is at 11,600 miles and it still hasn't needed an add. Although, it's starting to get close.
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I have had to add a quart at 2,500, 5,000, and 7,000 miles. I'm a conservative driver generally but I do floor it in sport mode occasionally.
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I also break-in my cars hard, which may or may not matter.
What does that entail? On this car I took it easy and barely broke 100mph until it hit 1000miles. Now it's ready to install BMS Stage 1, and Stage 2 which is soon to be released.
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What does that entail? On this car I took it easy and barely broke 100mph until it hit 1000miles. Now it's ready to install BMS Stage 1, and Stage 2 which is soon to be released.
For my European deliveried BMWs, I drive from the Welt to the Autobahn that heads to towards the Airport and take it up to speed limiter a couple of times. Then during the rest of the break-in period I'll vary the acceleration rates and speeds to ensure the motor and car gets fully exercised when brand new. After the car comes home to the States, it is generally not driven as hard as it becomes a daily driver. This is totally against what the manual suggests, but it's what I do.
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Well I "was" concerned about the oil usage... up to 5,000 miles seemed like it needed to be topped off every 1,000.

I had the oil changed at 5k...I know I went old school on this one.

After 4 1,000 mile trips, the car has hardly used any oil in the last 5,000 miles. not sure if it was the long highway miles, oil change or just long break-in period, but so far so good. Car has 11,000 on it now and has only used a pint or so in the last 5,000 miles.

Side question....are the turbo's oiled from the crankcase oil? If so would that be contributing to oil consumption???
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Just had to add a quart at a little under 1k miles. Bought a few extra quarts to keep around as I can tell there's gonna be alot of oil consumption on the horizon Not the biggest deal, just kind of weird to have to do so often
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I was going though a quart every couple thousand miles but in the last 4-5 months, nothing added, well over 3k+ miles on the 650 and 750 in this time frame.
My 535 got its 1st quart at 7500 miles
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