New iphone 5 just annouced. Adapters sold by apple for older devices

Engadget reports that Apple will sell adapters that convert the "lightning" into an older one. Here is the excerpt from engadget "If you've got a bunch of accessories designed for the old connector, you're not completely left out in the cold. Apple will happily sell you an adapter."

http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/12/i...lly-announced/

So does that mean that we may not need to get a newer iphone dock for the idrive integration?

For those of us without the snap-in adapter nothing changes. New white cord plugs right into USB. Done.

For those with the snap-in adapter you're going to need a new one because there isn't room to squeeze the new adapter in the mechanism. Short term you'll have to go dockless like the rest of us.

BJ

Originally Posted by boltjaM3s

For those of us without the snap-in adapter nothing changes. New white cord plugs right into USB. Done.

For those with the snap-in adapter you're going to need a new one because there isn't room to squeeze the new adapter in the mechanism. Short term you'll have to go dockless like the rest of us.

BJ

As I am anxiously awaiting to place an order in November with the Tech package, I have been wondering the same thing. I wonder if BMW will replace the current snap-in connector with an updated one, will that be something that has to be bought, or will they even offer one at all? If they work it into the new production line, will you have a choice of which connector you want?

Originally Posted by dzaborn

As I am anxiously awaiting to place an order in November with the Tech package, I have been wondering the same thing. I wonder if BMW will replace the current snap-in adapter with an updated one, will that be something that has to be bought, or will they just not offer one?

you'll need to buy a new one if they come out with it. the car doesnt come with the adapter

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

you'll need to buy a new one if they come out with it. the car doesnt come with the adapter

Maybe I should have said connector or dock instead of adapter. If you have the Tech Package, doesn't the center console have a snap-in dock where the iphone snaps directly into the dock/connector, therefore no cables are needed? If the phone is a different size, and the connector port is smaller, the new iPhone 5 will not snap in to the current dock. I wonder how they plan to remedy this. It would be ashame to waste space in the center console with a dock that cannot even be used.

Originally Posted by dzaborn

Maybe I should have said connector or dock instead of adapter. If you have the Tech Package, doesn't the center console have a snap-in dock where the iphone snaps directly into the dock/connector, therefore no cables are needed? If the phone is a different size, and the connector port is smaller, the new iPhone 5 will not snap in to the current dock. I wonder how they plan to remedy this. It would be ashame to waste space in the center console with a dock that cannot even be used.

no, it has a place to connect a dock. the actual dock ("snap in adapter") where the phone snaps in is an accessory.

BMW Apple iPhone Media / BMW APPS Version Snap In Adapters $250

This adapter is for vehicles equipped with the Smart Phone Integration or BMW APPS factory options. For vehicles with Smart Phone Integration, this adapter not only charges the phone, but allows access to any music or MP3 files stored on the phone. In addition, it provides a connection to the roof mounted telephone antenna on your car for improved cellular reception. For vehicles with BMW APPS, this adapter is required to fully utilize all features of this option. In addition to the great features noted for Smart Phone integration, it allows you to use the "PlugIn" as well as the "Video Playback" features. To ensure a phone is supported and compatible with the vehicle, refer to the list of tested phones available at http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...oothTechnology Only applicable to vehicles produced after 9/2010 and equipped with either Smart Phone Integration (option code 6NF) or BMW APPS (option code 6NR). BMW APPS is compatible only with iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S.
Each price is the suggested retail price and is subject to change. Price excludes installation and taxes.

so when a new phone is released, you just need to replace the dock

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

no, it has a place to connect a dock. the actual dock ("snap in adapter") where the phone snaps in is an accessory.

so when a new phone is released, you just need to replace the dock

ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation! I think it would be nice if they offer a choice of iPhone 4 or 5 docks when ordering. I guess we'll see.

Originally Posted by dzaborn

Maybe I should have said connector or dock instead of adapter. If you have the Tech Package, doesn't the center console have a snap-in dock where the iphone snaps directly into the dock/connector, therefore no cables are needed? If the phone is a different size, and the connector port is smaller, the new iPhone 5 will not snap in to the current dock. I wonder how they plan to remedy this. It would be ashame to waste space in the center console with a dock that cannot even be used.

The snap-in adapter (above) is a $150 accessory from BMW. What the rest of us have (not shown) is an empty cavity where that adapter can snap in. If you remove your snap-in adapter, you'll see what the rest of us have. You still have the USB port into which a white Apple cord can plug and work almost as effectively as the snap-in.

The iPhone 4 snap-in adapter is not going to work for any/all of these three reasons:

1. The new dock connector is smaller and incompatible with the iPhone 4 snap in adapter.

2. The new dock connector adapter which allows iPhone 5 devices to connect to iPhone 4 dock connectors is itself about 1/2 and inch long.

3. The new iPhone 5 is taller than the iPhone 4.

BJ

Originally Posted by dzaborn

ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation! I think it would be nice if they offer a choice of iPhone 4 or 5 docks when ordering. I guess we'll see.

Typically, it takes BMW 6-12 months to catch up and design an Apple adapter.

BJ

Originally Posted by dzaborn

ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation! I think it would be nice if they offer a choice of iPhone 4 or 5 docks when ordering. I guess we'll see.

the dock is not a factory option, the car comes ready with the connector for it.
you buy the dock from the dealer after delivery.

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

you'll need to buy a new one if they come out with it. the car doesnt come with the adapter

Here's a photo from this morning's Apple keynote showing the converter they're selling for older devices/cords/connectors to fit into the newer iPhone 5.

BJ

FYI: The car has a phone baseplate. The actual phone snaps into the corresponding snap-in adapter. The snap-in adapter plugs into the baseplate.

The iPhone 5 will require a new snap-in adapter. The baseplate stays the same.

Originally Posted by Technic

FYI: The car has a phone baseplate. The actual phone snaps into the corresponding snap-in adapter. The snap-in adapter plugs into the baseplate.

The iPhone 5 will require a new snap-in adapter. The baseplate stays the same.

Switching gears from hardware to software...

iPhone iOS6 questions (regarding the new iPhone text and email integration):

1. The ability to read emails and text messages is all wireless, all through Bluetooth, correct?

2. When you get an incoming text, can you see that message atop whatever iDrive is displaying? If your map is on primary with entertainment on split screen and you get a text, does it overlay the map with a preview of what the text says?

I'm hoping that I'm excited about a wireless solution that doesn't require me to make a dozen iDrive spins and clicks. Text comes in, text is displayed on screen. Email comes in, subject line is displayed on screen. Just like the iPhone, but atop the iDrive LCD. Am I going to be happy or sad?

BJ

Originally Posted by boltjaM3s

Switching gears from hardware to software...

iPhone iOS6 questions (regarding the new iPhone text and email integration):

1. The ability to read emails and text messages is all wireless, all through Bluetooth, correct?

Correct.

iOS 6 adds Bluetooth Message Access Profile (MAP), which allows the transfer of text/email data to the BMW Office feature.

2. When you get an incoming text, can you see that message atop whatever iDrive is displaying? If your map is on primary with entertainment on split screen and you get a text, does it overlay the map with a preview of what the text says?

The current "message received" (Google addresses) notification is an envelope icon on the upper right corner of the iDrive screen. That will be the notification in this current iDrive version, AFAIK. Now, for the new texts/emails you would need to select Office to physically see them, the same way Blackberry's show their texts/emails.

So far the iOS6 Beta has shown the messages that way in the iDrive screen.

I'm hoping that I'm excited about a wireless solution that doesn't require me to make a dozen iDrive spins and clicks. Text comes in, text is displayed on screen. Email comes in, subject line is displayed on screen. Just like the iPhone, but atop the iDrive LCD. Am I going to be happy or sad?

BJ

See above.

Originally Posted by Technic

See above.

So, in essence, much ado about nothing.

In the end, it's easier to pick up the iPhone and glance at the screen than it is to notice a tiny icon, hit "Menu", scroll, hit "Office", scroll, hit "Messages", scroll, hit "First Message", scroll, hit "Read" or whatever.

The proper thing to do would be to follow Apple's lead and come up with an option for immediate on-screen notifications with preview text. But no, we've got to drill through menu's. Ugh. Thanks for the reality check.

BJ

Originally Posted by boltjaM3s

So, in essence, much ado about nothing.

In the end, it's easier to pick up the iPhone and glance at the screen than it is to notice a tiny icon, hit "Menu", scroll, hit "Office", scroll, hit "Messages", scroll, hit "First Message", scroll, hit "Read" or whatever.

The proper thing to do would be to follow Apple's lead and come up with an option for immediate on-screen notifications with preview text. But no, we've got to drill through menu's. Ugh. Thanks for the reality check.

BJ

Perhaps one of the 1-9 preset buttons could make this simpler.

Originally Posted by boltjaM3s

Here's a photo from this morning's Apple keynote showing the converter they're selling for older devices/cords/connectors to fit into the newer iPhone 5.

BJ

The adapter does not support video or iPod out. http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/12/app...ip-in-october/

The one great thing I can think of with having the MAP Bluetooth capability is that if you are streaming with say, Pandora or MOG, you can still read email and texts without having to exit the streaming app. Controller twists and clicks will still be required but at least you won't have to cut the music to check emails and texts.

I hate getting texts from the wife while I'm streaming lol.

Originally Posted by Mbbrewer

The adapter does not support video or iPod out. http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/12/app...ip-in-october/

That stinks!! So for those that cannot do with just the cable there would be a wait on the modified cradle. Also for those who already purchased the cradle, I hope BMW provides a more reasonable solution that having to buy a whole another cradle all together.

Originally Posted by bmwf30

Also for those who already purchased the cradle, I hope BMW provides a more reasonable solution that having to buy a whole another cradle all together.

The only solution for those is another cradle.

Originally Posted by Mbbrewer

The adapter does not support video or iPod out. http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/12/app...ip-in-october/

Because the snap-in adapter is the only interface for video and iPod Out, and this adapter cannot be used with the snap-in then from the point of view of BMW Apps this incompatibility is moot.

Couldn't you just buy the 30-pin to lightning 0.2 meter CABLE and plug the end of the cable into the cradle? It seems like there would be some hardware in these adapters that drives all 30 pins (video and iPod out) since Apple didn't specifically exclude any features of existing dock accessories.

Originally Posted by gomichaelkgo

Couldn't you just buy the 30-pin to lightning 0.2 meter CABLE and plug the end of the cable into the cradle? It seems like there would be some hardware in these adapters that drives all 30 pins (video and iPod out) since Apple didn't specifically exclude any features of existing dock accessories.

I think that we are trying too hard to fit a squared peg into a round hole...

If the adapter does not support iPod Out/video then there is no functionality difference between the snap-in and the USB port from the point of view of the iPhone 5. Therefore there is no point in making the connection at the snap in -or getting the Lightning adapter in the first place- if the included Lightning USB cable can be used at the USB port.

If what is desired is to use the snap-in antenna connection with the iPhone 5 then it is not located in any of the 30 pins of the Apple connector. It should be located in the actual snap-in frame somehow, and connected to the phone via induction or some other kind of contact-less connection. So having the phone .2m apart or not making full contact with the snap-in definitely will make this antenna connection null.

Originally Posted by Technic

Correct.

iOS 6 adds Bluetooth Message Access Profile (MAP), which allows the transfer of text/email data to the BMW Office feature.



The current "message received" (Google addresses) notification is an envelope icon on the upper right corner of the iDrive screen. That will be the notification in this current iDrive version, AFAIK. Now, for the new texts/emails you would need to select Office to physically see them, the same way Blackberry's show their texts/emails.

So far the iOS6 Beta has shown the messages that way in the iDrive screen.



See above.

Can iPhone 4/4s be upgraded to ios6 to take advantage of the text/email features in F30?

Thanks.

Originally Posted by sr5959

Can iPhone 4/4s be upgraded to ios6 to take advantage of the text/email features in F30?

Thanks.

Yes.

iOS 6 releases on September 19. Even though it's only 2 days before I'll have my iPhone 5 I'm going to upgrade my iPhone 4 and check it out.

BJ