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E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 10-11-2012, 08:17 AM
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Excessive Black Smoke from Driver Side Exhaust

I bought a new 2013 X5 on 10/08/2012 and have noticed excessive black smoke from Driver Side Exhaust with smell of burning plastic/rubber.

I have been given multiple reasons by dealership -
1. It's new paint from new vehicle.
2. It's Turbo engine in BMW
3. It's a coating in exhaust pipe
4. It should go away after driving 100 miles.

I have more than 100 miles on the vehicle now and I see lot of black smoke from driver side exhaust and little to none on passenger side exhaust.

Can some one help!

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Old 10-11-2012, 08:54 AM
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"a lot of black smoke". Seriously? Billowing BLACK? After the car is warm it continues to smoke?

If yes, then there is something wrong, bring it back to the dealer- OR bring it to a different dealer. FORCE them to generate a written Repair Order that lists your complaint. Dont let them verbally turn you away.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:15 AM
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I'm guessing you mean the driver's side looks darker than the passenger's side. This is normal. If you want to even out the darkness, drive it like you stole it each time so both exhaust pipes will open
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:35 AM
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There is almost none to very minimal white smoke from passenger side exhaust.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:45 AM
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Black crud under pipe

My 2013 is white and the panel under the exhaust tip is also white. This dripping from the left pipe is difficult to clean and bothers my aesthetics. The dealer blew me off and said that perhaps I should paint it black.
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:11 AM
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"a lot of black smoke". Seriously? Billowing BLACK? After the car is warm it continues to smoke?

If yes, then there is something wrong, bring it back to the dealer- OR bring it to a different dealer. FORCE them to generate a written Repair Order that lists your complaint. Dont let them verbally turn you away.
Agree with Mr. Ard, looks like you got yourself a L E M O N.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:35 AM
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Agree with Mr. Ard, looks like you got yourself a L E M O N.
I think calling it a lemon already is taking it a step too far
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Old 10-11-2012, 01:21 PM
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Agree with Mr. Ard, looks like you got yourself a L E M O N.
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Dont listen to 0428...he's just yanking your chain
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Old 10-11-2012, 01:47 PM
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I have to disagree.

A brand spanking new $60K+ car which has EXCESSIVE black smoke coming out of the tail pipe, does not sound right, at all.

No new car in proper working order that I know of does this. Even if it turns out to be a fixable & small issue, I would still raise hell and have them exchange me a new one.

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Old 10-11-2012, 04:02 PM
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You are assuming OP is accurate with his assessment of "black" and "excessive"...so that is the first thing I asked.

For all we know it is the usual "only get exhaust on one side" issue, and a "well it isnt really black, but thick when it first starts up".

My advice stands, find a SA who will listen, give them a shot to diagnose.
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Old 10-11-2012, 04:49 PM
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There is almost none to very minimal white smoke from passenger side exhaust.
Sounds like the right side has elected a new Pope, while the Cardinals on the left side are still deliberating.

BTW it would be helpful to know which motor you have.

And since you are new here, here is some good advice. SEARCH IS YOUR FRIEND.

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Old 10-12-2012, 05:10 AM
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Thanks for all of your comments/suggestions. Here is an update -

I took the vehicle to service center @ the dealership where I bought my vehicle, emailed the video's of the problem. They looked at the vehicle and said there is no problem with the vehicle, it's electrical systems are fine and diagnostic doesn't show any problem.They even refused to acknowledge that it is excessive black smoke from driver side exhaust, which is very evident from the video.

I started my car this morning and had the same problem, drove some distance and parked car on my driveway. I left the car running for around 5-10 minutes and it's all smoke from the driver side exhaust. I plan to drive today to my work and see how it behaves.

Logically, it seems to me that leaving the car idle for some time is triggering some sort of oil (or something) leakage somewhere, which is then burning when you start the car.

Any Suggestions?
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Old 10-12-2012, 05:42 AM
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Go to another dealer and have them check it. Also, can you post the video so that we can see the issue? Maybe they're right and it's nothing.
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Old 10-12-2012, 06:10 AM
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I am attaching part of the video as iphone will not send entire video due to size. Please see the entire video as the amount of smoke increases ...

It seems video has to be in certain format... I will try to find a software that will convert MOV video to right format.

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Old 10-12-2012, 07:42 AM
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Yeah.......Post the video so we can see how much smoke and how black it is. Which engine do you have?
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I am attaching part of the video as iphone will not send entire video due to size. Please see the entire video as the amount of smoke increases ...

It seems video has to be in certain format... I will try to find a software that will convert MOV video to right format.
can you upload it to youtube?
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:43 AM
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I am attaching part of the video as iphone will not send entire video due to size. Please see the entire video as the amount of smoke increases ...

It seems video has to be in certain format... I will try to find a software that will convert MOV video to right format.
you need to upload the video to ANOTHER site (ie youtube) and THEN link to it here.

You cannot stored video files on this forum.


What did the dealer say when you and the SA stood at the car and looked at the billowing black smoke from the exhaust? Or did you just leave it there?
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:01 AM
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As I mentioned in my previous comment, it seems that oil or something is getting collected somewhere and burns when you start. After you drive for 10-15 miles, this smoke subsides. Leave this vehicle parked (idle) for 6-8 hours, start the vehicle and it all comes back.
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:21 AM
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Thanks for all of your comments/suggestions. Here is an update -

I took the vehicle to service center @ the dealership where I bought my vehicle, emailed the video's of the problem. They looked at the vehicle and said there is no problem with the vehicle, it's electrical systems are fine and diagnostic doesn't show any problem.They even refused to acknowledge that it is excessive black smoke from driver side exhaust, which is very evident from the video.

I started my car this morning and had the same problem, drove some distance and parked car on my driveway. I left the car running for around 5-10 minutes and it's all smoke from the driver side exhaust. I plan to drive today to my work and see how it behaves.

Logically, it seems to me that leaving the car idle for some time is triggering some sort of oil (or something) leakage somewhere, which is then burning when you start the car.

Any Suggestions?
OK, well, clearly there is an issue with that. I'd say it IS black smoke.

The dealers are blowing you off. To say 'there is no problem', and point to the computer diagnostics, means they dont want to get involved... typical lazy SA/Tech issue.

If I had to guess, there is an oil leak in your turbo allowing the turbo cooling/lube oil to get into the exhaust... it leaks out and pools as the car sits, then burns off on start up.

Time to call BMWUSA, and complain. Tell them you need to have a meeting with their regional TSE (technical service engineer). Tell them they are welcome to look at this thread or the youtube video to see with their own eyes- "yes, many owners can have silly complaints, but anyone looking at this will know instantly there is an issue."

FYI- if you tell them "I went to multiple dealers" this will INCREASE the likelihood of them dismissing you. They will think, "How can both dealers get this wrong?"

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Agree that what you are seeing is NOT normal. HOWEVER.... You keep noting that there is "nothing coming from the right one" as if that indicates there is a problem. This has been discussed here many, many times. The exhaust system is designed to ONLY use the driver's side (left) exhaust under the majority of operating conditions. So while the smoke is abnormal, the fact that it is only coming from "the left one" is not.

Several of us have asked which motor you have, but you have not responded. From the YouTube audio, I am guessing you have a 3.5 gas, not a 5.0 or diesel. Is that correct? (Your sig just says "X5")
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:37 AM
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It's 3.5 Gas.
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:41 AM
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I agree that that is a problem. Either follow ARD's recommendation or go to another dealer.
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:50 AM
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So you have oil entering the combustion chambers, quite possibly from a bad cylinder head gasket. Will probably require a pretty significant tear-down, which your local dealer may or may not be qualified to do. Not that it will make you feel any better, but I have NEVER heard of this in a brand new X5 (and as my post count indicates, I've been here and on the "other" BMW forum) for a long time.

Rather than have your brand new car sit in the shop for 2-3 weeks, then having to worry about the quality / longevity of the repair, I'd think seriously about demanding a different car. I'd start with the dealership service manager, and be prepared to immediately escalate to BMWUSA. Good luck, and keep us posted.
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What's the temperature there? Sure its not just warm air condensing with the cold outside air? Does the exhaust smell horrible?

Oil would be blue, not black, and it looks white to me from the video.

Again as Quack states, there should be nothing coming from the passenger side while idling, that is COMPLETELY NORMAL.

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Old 10-12-2012, 11:57 AM
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Oil would be blue, not black, and it looks white to me from the video.
Man, that looks real dark to me!

OP-we are all in agreement that the 'side thing' is a non-issue.
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