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Old 09-20-2012, 06:48 PM
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Photos of F10 and W212

Snapped a few photos of our E350 and our new F10 550i right before selling our E. Aesthetically, the E350 and E550 are identical so photo comparison of the E and F10 550 are comparable. Let's not discuss the ride difference V6 NA vs TT V8.

Back to the aesthetics. The F10 looks much more sporty compared to the E especially the front end. The F10 is a really beefy-looking car. The E looks like a slim down car compared to the F10 and even to the W212 for that matter.

I find the F10's interior to be much more luxurious. The dash and door panel trim materials are softer compared to the E. The E has a more vault-like feel to it's materials. When you close the doors to the E, you feel how solid it feels. Although the soft-close auto doors on the F10 give a much different feel when closing the doors. I think both cars are unique in it's own way. There are some things I like more on the E and others more on the F10. At the end, the handling and aesthetics of the F10 won me over.
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Old 09-20-2012, 08:23 PM
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Nice comparison and I agree with your comments I heard the F10 doors are aluminum to conserve weight, but I never confirmed. The doors feel very light but close well. Its tough to beat an MB in that front, they have perfected the door close. I would have to add the profile of the bimmer is by far superior aesthetically. It's a tough choice for some. I know my wife would chose the E and currently drives a GL. I don't like the E for me but the CLS is a different matter.
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Old 09-20-2012, 09:01 PM
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Thanks for posting the comparison and the pictures. I personally liked the previous E more, especially the E55/E63 on the older body style. The lines seemed smoother, curvier and overall looked sportier. The new one looks a bit a boxy for my taste. I think you made a great move going with the F10.

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Old 09-21-2012, 05:39 AM
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Mercedes are known for their vault-like built quality, but I must say, the F10 is right up there with the E-class as far as the overall solid feel of the car. The E-class' door does close with a more distinctive thump than the F10, but on the road, the F10 feels 100% as soild as the E-class if not more so, especially at high speed. I would say the last generation of E-class felt much more solid than the E60, but BMW have step it a bit on the F10.
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the E side profile looks stupid to me. from the rear to the front, it goes all the way down...

total contrast to the balanced side profile of F10.
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Old 09-22-2012, 09:25 PM
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Nice comparison. I have had my F10 since late April of this year and every time I see the E class I second guess my decision. I am happy overall though....great looking car by the way.
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Old 09-23-2012, 12:19 AM
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I had two W212 E classes--both W212 4matics. No comparison in terms of build quality from BMW to MB. The MB is a giant piece of plastic--with offgassing to match.

There may be some rigidity, but I didn't fined either of my E classes as vault like. Or perhaps it was too stiff, that's why BOTH of them rattled like crazy. I think the F10 is much stiffer than the E60. I have had no rattles from my two F10's I had....even my two E60's had no rattles.

My 2010 E350 had rattle after rattle and the dealer did nothing to fix it. After taking delivery of an 11 E350, it was rattling on the way home from the dealer.

The ride was stiff with the AMG package--in fact rediculously rough. The adaptive system in the 550 murders the E350 at least. I doubt the E550 is much better despite airmatic.

I know our cars get hit due to the RFTs. The materials IMO on the E feel, and are cheap compared the F10. I've had seat time in both of these platforms. Benz was absolutely horrible in their service and attitude.

The F10's cabin is much more luxurious than the W212. All the fake plastic, fake leather, crappy HVAC with poor cabin filtration, and it's poor ride (i know sport packs aren't supposed to be a Caddy) but this system just sent shockwaves through the cabin.

The seats were not comfortable. Very hard and not supportive, but each person's body is different.

MB's vault-like quality went away after 1992. If MB would go back and build W124, I buy one in a heart beat. I'd love a pristine W126.

One example of the vault-like quality of my W212 2010 model was the hood. every time you'd hit a bump, the hood would move enough to bounce to cause a rattle.

One even larger joke is the W164 ML. Rattles, sqeaks, plastic that breaks easily, assisted liftgate that blew itself landing it in the dealer for 4 days for repair--MB is not the MB that most of us grew up and admired.

I'll admit that I'm grumpy towards the brand. Even worse, I'm disgusted at a company that I had great interst in and only to be disappointed. I spent a lot of money on those cars, and was left with WTF.

I had an W211 wagon, purchased new which was much more solid and "mercedes-like" if one can picture it in their mind. No rattles, solid car. I would have kept it, but should have gotten xenons. I unforuneatley traded it for a new W212 E350. The wagon was perfect.

The W212 had a better NAV. Less buttons, and did feel like a solid car on smooth roads. Hit potholes and it becomes a jarring and stiff ride. And if you have any joint/arthritic problems you'll be reminded of it each time.

I think BMW has pretty much nailed it with the F10.

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Old 09-23-2012, 12:53 AM
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That E looks so dated, maybe it's just me and my area but I see so many of them they're like camry's, blah boring...

That F10 MSport still catches my eye, so close to a M5
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Old 09-23-2012, 05:54 AM
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That E looks so dated, maybe it's just me and my area but I see so many of them they're like camry's, blah boring...
That was what some people said when the E first came out, it look more Japanese than German.
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Old 09-23-2012, 06:24 AM
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MB quality varies drastically model to model. It was not like this in the past.
BMW is consistent relative to price. So one can get a fully loaded 3 versus a base 5 for more options in lieu of some space. However, I would never consider a C class over an E class due to the quality differences.
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Old 09-23-2012, 06:27 AM
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Just did the same trade a week ago myself- went from 2010 e550 4matic sport to 2013 550xi m pack. My observations:
- transmission (i have the sport trans) shifting is massively faster. Just no comparison. It is a 5-6 second operation in the e going from referse to drive, and clicking the shift paddles in the e is often a second or 2.
- New idrive is much, much better than the 2010 comand. Cant comment vs the 2013 comand however. Screen still seems very small.
- Handling in the 550xi is much crisper vs e even though i did not get the dynamic handling package. I am also glad to not have the benz air suspension. While it was very comfy on long rides, there are too many horror stories about guys getting 8-9 k repair bills when it needs to be fixed. I think the benz was only like .69 on the skidpad which i think is corolla territory.
- i dont think either car feels more or less solid than the other. The benz was very, very stable well into 3 digit territory although i would expect the same for the 550xi
- Over 50k miles in the benz i spent over 2500 in just basic maintenance. I dont think i ever had a basic a or b service for less than 400 bucks.
- The auto hi beam feature in the bmw works much better.
- The lane departure and blind spot warning systems seem about the same
- i had radar cruise on the last car and did not get it on this one. I will miss it- benz's version is very good.
- Also had nite vision on the last car that i did not get this time. It is a neat feature but i think more dangerous to drive if you have it on.
- i think the heads up display is a really valuable tool to have in the car. Got addicted to it in wife's x5 and very glad to have it now. Benz does not offer (that i know of).
- Another thing i will not miss in the benz is the giant clock nestled in the instrument cluster. Its the same size as the tach and looked really out of place

Overall the benz was a great car to own and i enjoyed my time with it, but so far the 5'er is simply a much more responsive car.
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I had two W212 E classes--both W212 4matics. No comparison in terms of build quality from BMW to MB. The MB is a giant piece of plastic--with offgassing to match.

There may be some rigidity, but I didn't fined either of my E classes as vault like. Or perhaps it was too stiff, that's why BOTH of them rattled like crazy. I think the F10 is much stiffer than the E60. I have had no rattles from my two F10's I had....even my two E60's had no rattles.

My 2010 E350 had rattle after rattle and the dealer did nothing to fix it. After taking delivery of an 11 E350, it was rattling on the way home from the dealer.

The ride was stiff with the AMG package--in fact rediculously rough. The adaptive system in the 550 murders the E350 at least. I doubt the E550 is much better despite airmatic.

I know our cars get hit due to the RFTs. The materials IMO on the E feel, and are cheap compared the F10. I've had seat time in both of these platforms. Benz was absolutely horrible in their service and attitude.

The F10's cabin is much more luxurious than the W212. All the fake plastic, fake leather, crappy HVAC with poor cabin filtration, and it's poor ride (i know sport packs aren't supposed to be a Caddy) but this system just sent shockwaves through the cabin.

The seats were not comfortable. Very hard and not supportive, but each person's body is different.

MB's vault-like quality went away after 1992. If MB would go back and build W124, I buy one in a heart beat. I'd love a pristine W126.

One example of the vault-like quality of my W212 2010 model was the hood. every time you'd hit a bump, the hood would move enough to bounce to cause a rattle.

One even larger joke is the W164 ML. Rattles, sqeaks, plastic that breaks easily, assisted liftgate that blew itself landing it in the dealer for 4 days for repair--MB is not the MB that most of us grew up and admired.

I'll admit that I'm grumpy towards the brand. Even worse, I'm disgusted at a company that I had great interst in and only to be disappointed. I spent a lot of money on those cars, and was left with WTF.

I had an W211 wagon, purchased new which was much more solid and "mercedes-like" if one can picture it in their mind. No rattles, solid car. I would have kept it, but should have gotten xenons. I unforuneatley traded it for a new W212 E350. The wagon was perfect.

The W212 had a better NAV. Less buttons, and did feel like a solid car on smooth roads. Hit potholes and it becomes a jarring and stiff ride. And if you have any joint/arthritic problems you'll be reminded of it each time.

I think BMW has pretty much nailed it with the F10.

Just my thoughts.
Sorry you had so much problems with your two W212s. Our W212 didn't have rattle issues. I do agree with you that the W211 was much more "Mercedes-like". If one sat inside a W211 and a W212, you'll know what I mean. One major gripe I had with the W212 was the column shifter. Do we really need that much cup holder space in the center console? I don't know about you, but I don't plan on having a feast in my car.
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