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E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 12-10-2012, 11:19 PM
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Consumer Report actually put a recommended check mark on BMW X5 35D. Why? It is because its quality has been improved to AVERAGE! Save your money. The warranty are for those poor sap that bought the gasoline version of BMW.
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:18 AM
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Just another data point.

Found this thread on another website re X5 extended warranty.

http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...ricing-19.html

One before last post is a guy who purchased extended maintenance plan and Platinum extended warranty for $6400. That sounds like a lot of money to me. Any thoughts on this?
That is about what I paid! Ouch.
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:23 AM
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Me too!! And it was me

I didn't feel that I had any choice. No indies around me and I don't know enough to maintain the X5. If I was in that situation again now, I would still do the "Extended Vehicle Protection Program" (i.e. extended warranty) but I wouldn't do the "Maintenance Program". I would also act sooner and shop around more for a better price.
I just bought both. I really like my local dealer. Its such a nice place to hang out while they service the car. It occurred to me yesterday that I just paid $6k for a bagel and 2 cups of coffee while I was waiting for my first visit under the extended maintenance program! Yikes. Oh well, hope it works out for both of us!
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Old 12-15-2012, 06:04 PM
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I also called my BMW dealer (in Canada) regarding extended warranty for my 2009 X5 3.0 with 68,000 km. They are offering $3500 for 48 months/80,000 km or $2500 for 24 months/40,000 km for their "Superior plan" (Please see the attachments). These prices are $1000 off the regular price. Any feedback is much appreciated.

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Old 12-15-2012, 09:51 PM
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It's hard to tell how reliable the car will be at 25K /1yr. I have read that big problems usually start after original warranty expires.
If I can get basic extended warranty for 1500-2000 bucks, that's a good deal in my opinion. Even if nothing major breaks, I want to have a peace of mind.

I am a DYI guy, so probably can change oil myself.

P.S. Have been paying my car insurance for years without an accident. Sure, waste of money if you think about it, but a piece of mind nevertheless (without mentioning the laws, etc).
Car insurance vs an extended warranty isn't an accurate comparison. I've never heard of anyone having an auto repair bill of $1 Million, but that is a definite possibility for a major at fault accident.
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Old 12-15-2012, 09:59 PM
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I don't necessarily disagree with your premise, but one other consideration is resale. If you put significant miles on your vehicle you are already losing money if you try to resell it. Having a transferable warranty that still covers all of the major components is likely much more important to many (not all) purchasers. We wouldn't get near any BMW that wasn't in warranty from our past experiences with them, fwiw.
I don't think dealers will value an extended warranty for anything near what you pay. Not a biggie for a private sale. However, for those of us that deduct our vehicles for business, we have to trade. Selling a vehicle (to a private party) we've depreciated means that sale counts as income.
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Old 12-16-2012, 11:50 AM
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I also called my BMW dealer (in Canada) regarding extended warranty for my 2009 X5 3.0 with 68,000 km. They are offering $3500 for 48 months/80,000 km or $2500 for 24 months/40,000 km for their "Superior plan" (Please see the attachments). These prices are $1000 off the regular price. Any feedback is much appreciated.

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That is a 3rd party or aftermarket plan. Would not touch it. As for a BMW plan
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:02 PM
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If I keep this great '12 X5 35i much beyond warranty, I will get the BMW extended warranty for sure, mainly because of the turbo componentry and unknowns about long- term reliability of the 8-speed.

But most of the general maintenance--oil, pads, rotors, etc--- is generic and can be purchased at $25-$35 per hour labor cost from a competent general mechanic, not even a "BMW specialist," so I would avoid the maintenance contract. Why turn a $30/ hr. labor cost into a $130 one?
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:09 PM
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Consumer Report actually put a recommended check mark on BMW X5 35D. Why? It is because its quality has been improved to AVERAGE! Save your money. The warranty are for those poor sap that bought the gasoline version of BMW.
Good luck with that ad blue system and turbo at 85k.
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Old 12-16-2012, 02:25 PM
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Emissions systems typically have 100k warranties standard. It's the only thing CARB ever did for me.

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Old 12-16-2012, 03:44 PM
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Emissions systems typically have 100k warranties standard. It's the only thing CARB ever did for me.

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Old 12-16-2012, 05:10 PM
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That is a 3rd party or aftermarket plan. Would not touch it. As for a BMW plan
Thank you for your reply! I am inclined to take a chance and not buy the extended warranty...
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:42 PM
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Emissions systems typically have 100k warranties standard. It's the only thing CARB ever did for me.

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Consumer Report actually put a recommended check mark on BMW X5 35D. Why? It is because its quality has been improved to AVERAGE! Save your money. The warranty are for those poor sap that bought the gasoline version of BMW.
Check out the additional emissions hardware that is needed for your 35D (heaters, injectors, pumps, sensors, heating elements, particulate filters and more). These are not the same diesels that have been sold in Europe for years. The technology is fairly new. I would bet some of these components will fail after warranty with some costly repairs needed. This is why I passed on the diesel for now. There are some federal and state guidelines regarding how long emissions components must function but they are specific in terms of parts. It is not blanket coverage on everything. For example, if the pump that injects urea solution into the exhaust stream fails at 65K miles, don't assume BMW will be obligated to cover the repairs because it is emissions related.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:05 AM
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For example, if the pump that injects urea solution into the exhaust stream fails at 65K miles, don't assume BMW will be obligated to cover the repairs because it is emissions related.
Why do you assume this? How much experience have you had with diesel engines?

I have a 2006 diesel truck, and the whole reason I bought it was because it was the last year before DPFs were mandated by US federal law.

That means DPFs have been around for 6-7 years, diesel EGR has been around since ~2004, SCR has been around since ~2009.

While the technology is not as old as rudolf diesel himself, they are not first year either, especially the '11s and '12s.

Maybe you know something I don't, but emissions regulations are a federal law that all Mfg's must abide by, and you can't just pick and choose.

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Old 12-17-2012, 09:33 AM
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Couple of things...

Stop with the conjectuire about "oh its emissions related, they must cover it"... this is a common misconception. Look up the ACTUAL warranty, then you know. Yes?

Second, why do people assume something will go wrong with these DEF systems? And why are they so afraid of this? They are machines and parts and they may fail- you fix them. A few hundred dollars here or there. Cost of driving.

Buy a 1980 toyota if you want simple.


Now, what is the warranty?

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This warranty applies only to U.S. specification
vehicles distributed by BMW of North America,
LLC (BMW NA) or sold through the BMW NA
European Delivery Program.
In accordance with the defect warranty
provisions of section 207(b) of the Clean Air Act,
BMW NA warrants to the first retail purchaser,
and each subsequent purchaser, that the vehicle
(a) was designed, built and equipped so as to
conform, at the time of sale, with all regulations
of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
applicable at the time of manufacture and (b) is
free from defects in materials and workmanship
which would cause it to fail to conform with
applicable regulations for a period of 2 years or
24,000 miles, whichever occurs first, except for
specific emission control components (as listed
on page 31), for which the warranty period is
8 years or 80,000 miles, whichever occurs first.
Two year parts:

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The following systems are covered by the
Federal Emission PerformanceWarranty for a
period of 2 years or 24,000 miles, whichever
occurs first. The specific systems may vary
according to model, therefore, all of the systems
listed may not be used on your vehicle. For
assistance in determining which systems and
specific components within these systems apply
to your vehicle, please contact your authorized
BMW SAV center.
AIR INDUCTION SYSTEM
FUEL METERING SYSTEM
IGNITION SYSTEM
POSITIVE CRANKCASE VENTILATION
SYSTEM (PCV)
FUEL EVAPORATIVE CONTROL SYSTEM
EXHAUST SYSTEM
ENGINE EMISSION CONTROL SYSTEM
SENSORS/DEVICES
ONBOARD DIAGNOSTIC SYSTEM (OBD)
RELATED PARTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE
ABOVE SYSTEMS
8 year parts:

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The following components and/or systems are/is
covered under the Federal EmissionWarranty for
a period of 8 years or 80,000 miles, whichever
occurs first.
CATALYTIC CONVERTER
ENGINE CONTROL MODULE (INCLUDING
ONBOARD DIAGNOSTIC SYSTEM)
For assistance in determining coverage of the
specific components of the Onboard diagnostic
system, please contact your authorized BMW
SAV center.

Now, if you are in California, you have a 4/50 on the emissions system, compeltely- it must pass smog. AND you have a 7/70k on an expanded list of parts. The enlightened reader will see that this is a shopping list of BMW diesel recall issues!

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Charge Air Cooler
Connection Pipe (Compressor Bypass)
Connection Pipe (Compressor Outlet)
Cylinder Head Cover Gasket Set
Delivery Unit w/ In-Tank Fuel Pump
Diesel Particulate Filter
Engine Control Module
Exhaust Cooler For EGR
Exhaust Manifold
Exhaust Manifold Gasket
Exhaust Gasket, Turbo To Exhaust Manifold
High Pressure Fuel Pipe (Rail-To-Injector)
High Pressure Fuel Pump
High Pressure Fuel Rail (Accumulator)
High Pressure Fuel Regulating Valve
Injection Valve (Fuel Injector)
Intake Manifold w/ Flap Control
NOx Sensor
SCR Catalyst
SCR Filler Tube
SCR Pump Unit
SCR Reagent Reservoir
Thermostat
Throttle Body
Torque Converter
Transmission Control Module
Turbocharger
Vacuum Pump
If you dont live in California, your emissions ends at effectively 50k miles.
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. For example, if the pump that injects urea solution into the exhaust stream fails at 65K miles, don't assume BMW will be obligated to cover the repairs because it is emissions related.
If you lived in CA, you'd have 5000 miles over coverage left on that part, if it failed at 65k.

Shouldn't have passed on the diesel.
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The following components and/or systems are/is
covered under the Federal EmissionWarranty for
a period of 8 years or 80,000 miles, whichever
occurs first.
CATALYTIC CONVERTER

Both the DPF/DOC and the SCR Catalyst are technically Catalytic converters. I would argue that the most expensive portions of the emissions system are then covered with the long warranty (I thought it was 7 yr 100k but I was mistaken or its changed since I had a gasoline cat fail 10+ years ago).

Since the entire SCR system is necessary to perform the catalytic conversion process I wonder if a decent lawyer could get the whole thing covered for 8/80k. The 2 year parts vs the 8 year parts seem to be differentiated by being passively involved (or secondary) in meeting emissions or actively involved (or dedicated), the active parts having the longer warranty. Of course this is all conjecture and I'm sure your local BMW service center as well as BMWNA would deny it forcing you to hire a lawyer and spend more money and time then its probably worth.

Thanks for gathering all the info and putting it in here ard, always very helpful.

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I wonder if a decent lawyer could get the whole thing covered for 8/80k.

Maybe. Spend $xxk to get a $5k job covered?

Which is why the only thing car mfgs respond to are class actions. Once parts begin to broadly fail (HPFP) then the mfg realizes it will be a class action (or if regulators will get involved) and they do something.


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If you lived in CA, you'd have 5000 miles over coverage left on that part, if it failed at 65k.

Shouldn't have passed on the diesel.
Glad to hear you are loving the diesel!! I am still young ... there is always next time
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