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Old 09-27-2012, 03:45 PM
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The 3.0T would be a nice engine... In an A4, in a big sedan its nothing but a slow piggy.
They have an A4 with the 3.0T...it's called an S4.

And the 3.0T A6 crushes the 535 against which it competes.
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Old 09-27-2012, 03:57 PM
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I am tired of proving you wrong and having you change your statement.
Hmmm, just as I thought, no proof and blowing smoke again

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They have an A4 with the 3.0T...it's called an S4.

And the 3.0T A6 crushes the 535 against which it competes.
No only faster, but the A6 handles better than the 535i as well. The 535i does have a more solid feel and more comfortable ride and it is more stable at high speed. The multi contour seats really set the 535i apart from the A6.
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:22 PM
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Man, I feel sorry for her then. It's pure profit for the dealer. Even at thousands below invoice on a F10, dealers make profit
Why feel sorry? She knows what she want and is willing to pay for it. What right have you to fell sorry for her?
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:26 PM
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Your point was that you can buy an Accord instead of a 5. Or Levi's instead of Lucky Jeans. My point is that the 5 is still expensive relative to its class. Sure the market bears it ... By demanding and getting aggressive leases and discounts from MSRP.
All things considered, the BMW 5 series is one of the greatest car bargains in the world. especially at US prices.
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They have an A4 with the 3.0T...it's called an S4.

And the 3.0T A6 crushes the 535 against which it competes.
I wouldn't ever have a 535 so I wouldn't know

I'm just unimpressed with all of their non s/r8 cars as none of them for example had the wow factor the n54 or 550i engines had. Sure they can "compete" in their class, but they can't compete outside that the way the n54/550i's engine could. I know others have no problem comparing Sline to base BMW models, but I would think as an Audi fan or simply from a marketing standpoint you'd want to play to a higher tier then base models from your competition, but thats just me

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Old 09-27-2012, 05:28 PM
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let's be frank - the 5 series is a rip-off for what you get.

The only reason they get away with charging these ridiculous prices are:
- many people will rather have a car with few options but a bmw badge rather than a loaded audi or lexus (snob buyers)
- some people are so obsessed with bmws historical reputation for handling that they won't even cross shop competition (drone buyers)
- some people are completely uncompromising and buy what they consider the best at any price (mugs)

i know these labels are condescending, but in the spirit of brutal honesty i would admit i fall into one of them.

A sensible person would buy an audi a6 or a lexus gs350 instead of a 535i. But we aren't making a sensible choice here. We are making an emotional one. Which is why i drive an m5.
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:01 PM
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The 3.0T would be a nice engine... In an A4, in a big sedan its nothing but a slow piggy. s6 is nice still has terrible interior choices unless you like the tinfoil and black look, also loaded you're almost (within 1,000) in m5 territory... So not really a 1-for-1, also I'd equate it to the s4/335i comparisons, their upgraded line is being compared to base models (in this case the 550, or 335i).
If 3.0T A6 is a "slow piggy," then the 535i is a slowpoke because it's much slower than the Audi.



What sort of math did you learn?

Loaded S6 is $82k (without the overpriced $5,900 B&O)

M5 starts at $89,900.

By your same metrics, the loaded 550i is a waste of money because it is so closely priced to an M5. The S6 is the 550i's competition. The upcoming RS6 will go against the M5. You can try to spin numbers to make the BMW look better, but guess what? They aren't competition with each other.
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:04 PM
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I'm just unimpressed with all of their non s/r8 cars as none of them for example had the wow factor the n54 or 550i engines had
Ha, what a joke. The N54/55 are slower and significantly more problem-prone to the Audi 3.0T. The new 4.0TT in the S6 wipes the floor of the N63 in terms of raw performance.

It's hilarious that some people can't see through the facade of the roundel and keep chugging their kool-aid.

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Old 09-27-2012, 07:12 PM
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Ha, what a joke. The N54/55 are slower and significantly more problem-prone to the Audi 3.0T. The new 4.0TT in the S6 wipes the floor of the N63 in terms of raw performance.

That being said, I'm out. It's hilarious that some people can't see through the facade of the roundel and keep chugging their kool-aid.
Maybe you misunderstood my context, but the n54 at launch was up-competing with cars that were well out its league same with the 63. As for the s6 unless you're one of the types that empties a car, it will be about 88k properly equipped, so again its just odd that I continually see "well our Sline can beat this base model or that base model". I don't see AMG, M, drivers wanting to look down for competition.

It's like if a pro player says I'm better then that high school/college player look up for competition not down!

Other examples
S4 from 2007
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ants-and-raves
Top Competitors>
Cadillac CTS-V
Infiniti M45
Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG
Lexus IS F
BMW M3 sedan

335i from 2007
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take-road-test
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Audi A4 sedan
Infiniti G35 sedan
Mercedes-Benz C-class sedan
Acura TL
Cadillac CTS

550i review 2011
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...trumented-test
Top Competitors>
Mercedes-Benz E-class sedan
Audi A6 sedan
Infiniti M
Jaguar XF
Lexus GS350 / GS460

S6 review 2013
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...s6-test-review
Top Competitors>
BMW M5
Cadillac CTS-V sedan
Jaguar XFR
Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG
Chrysler 300 SRT8

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Old 09-27-2012, 07:20 PM
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Quoting examples from 5 years ago. Shows you how informed you are. They moved S line "downmarket" years ago. Just like the S4 is aligned with the 335 and the 328 is aligned with the A4 2.0T. Of course, you are the same person who would argue that the S4 sucks compared to an M3 because you don't know better.

S-Line cars don't go against the ///M cars any longer. They haven't for a while now. S6's main competitors are the 550i and E550. RS6 goes against the M5 and E63 AMG. Simple as that.

Where has Audi said that the C7 S6 goes against the F10 M5? They never have. You're going by pure pricing. If that was the metric, than a loaded 550i would be considered a stupid buy because the F10 M5 is a couple thousand more.
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:24 PM
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Quoting examples from 5 years ago. Shows you how informed you are. They moved S line "downmarket" years ago.

S-Line cars don't go against the ///M cars any longer. They haven't for a while now. S6's main competitors are the 550i and E550. RS6 goes against the M5 and E63 AMG. Simple as that.
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lol I quoted you when the n54 launched and from when the s6 (2013) and 550i (2011) Unless I've been hibernating both those recent articles are not from 5 years ago, and yet you can clearly see where C&D puts the competition, but again if it makes you feel better why not look down even further? Call up C&D and have them put "for 2014 s6 top competition: Chevy Volt, Toyota Prius" That would be a huge ego boost with those side by side numbers


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550i review 2011
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...trumented-test
Top Competitors>
Mercedes-Benz E-class sedan
Audi A6 sedan
Infiniti M
Jaguar XF
Lexus GS350 / GS460

S6 review 2013
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...s6-test-review
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BMW M5
Cadillac CTS-V sedan
Jaguar XFR
Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG
Chrysler 300 SRT8
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It's hilarious that some people can't see through the facade of the roundel and keep chugging their kool-aid.
I hope that wasn't directed at me because personally we(not me ) spent more money on any car we've ever owned (Porsche Cayenne T:S) and it happened to be part owned by VW/Audi at the time

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Old 09-27-2012, 07:31 PM
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If 3.0T A6 is a "slow piggy," then the 535i is a slowpoke because it's much slower than the Audi.
What would you say about A6's steering compared to F10's?

And is your main auto still the 2011 X5 x35d, and if so, are you regretting?
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:37 PM
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What would you say about A6's steering compared to F10's?
welcome back troll. I was wondering when you would make an appearance.

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And is your main auto still the 2011 X5 x35d, and if so, are you regretting?
Just because I drive a BMW doesn't mean I have to trash the competition. Is that the requirement to be a BMW owner these days? (If so, I must have missed the memo)

If you can't appreciate the other brands out there, you are a badge whore, not a true enthusiast.

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welcome back troll. I was wondering when you would make an appearance.



Just because I drive a BMW doesn't mean I have to trash the competition. Is that the requirement to be a BMW owner these days? (If so, I must have missed the memo)

If you can't appreciate the other brands out there, you are a badge whore, not a true enthusiast.
fellow troll, you haven't answered the qns ...
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Just because I drive a BMW doesn't mean I have to trash the competition. Is that the requirement to be a BMW owner these days? (If so, I must have missed the memo)

If you can't appreciate the other brands out there, you are a badge whore, not a true enthusiast.
This.
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The A6 4.2 was the direct competitor to the 550. The latest generation of A6 has dropped the 4.2 in favor of only having the S6 and the future RS6, which traditionally have respectively been half a notch lower and half a notch higher than the M5. BMW has created the half-notch lower model (M550dx) and the M5 has upped it's game. Although the lack of AWD will leave it at an all-out performance disadvantage, but the traditionalists will be happy. So as far as I can see, Audi has dropped their direct 550 competitor in hope that the S6 is close enough for both the former A6 4.2 and the S6 buyers. Traditionally, the luxury oriented A6 was priced a bit higher than the sportier 5 Series, but the current generation has flipped where BMW went for more luxury and Audi went for more sport and the pricing shifted accordingly.
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If you can't appreciate the other brands out there, you are a badge whore, not a true enthusiast.
ps keen to see the exterior colour and model of my car scheduled for delivery next month?

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=750654
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The A6 4.2 was the direct competitor to the 550. The latest generation of A6 has dropped the 4.2 in favor of only having the S6 and the future RS6, which traditionally have respectively been half a notch lower and half a notch higher than the M5. BMW has created the half-notch lower model (M550dx) and the M5 has upped it's game. Although the lack of AWD will leave it at an all-out performance disadvantage, but the traditionalists will be happy. So as far as I can see, Audi has dropped their direct 550 competitor in hope that the S6 is close enough for both the former A6 4.2 and the S6 buyers. Traditionally, the luxury oriented A6 was priced a bit higher than the sportier 5 Series, but the current generation has flipped where BMW went for more luxury and Audi went for more sport and the pricing shifted accordingly.
I guess I couldn't stay away...


I have to say you always make excellent points, write clearly and concisely and are very objective. And no this is not me blowing smoke - seriously..

Separate point, I agree about bashing the competition. Audi makes some really nice cars. I prefer the body and style of the S5/RS5 to the 3/M3 and even the 6. Again, just my opinion. I just think the interiors don't match up to the BMW. I believe the same is true of MB - the interiors just don't feel as nice as MB.
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I believe the same is true of MB - the interiors just don't feel as nice as MB.
More like Mbrace I feel like I'm back in 05-06 every time I see their navigation
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Audi's and MB's steering feel is still not as good as BMW's (for comparable models) ... and this includes the F10

this doesn't bother my fellow troll enthusiast, AutoUnion

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More like Mbrace I feel like I'm back in 05-06 every time I see their navigation
Even further back, IMO.

MB COMMAND is terrible. You should see their new mBrace apps crap. It takes forever to load anything. Why does one need Facebook in their Mercedes-Benz when their smartphone does it faster?
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I guess I couldn't stay away...


I have to say you always make excellent points, write clearly and concisely and are very objective. And no this is not me blowing smoke - seriously..
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Audi's and MB's steering feel is still not as good as BMW's (for comparable models) ... and this includes the F10

this doesn't bother my fellow troll enthusiast, AutoUnion
I must agree the steering. Having owned the C7 A6 for about a year before I traded it for my current 535xi, the A6's steering in dynamic mode is very close to the 535's steering in the city, but on the highway, the 535 is more precise. Interior wise, the A6's instruments and gauges are nicer, but the BMW mutli contour seats is a lot more comfortable than the A6. Overall, both cars has its advanatge and disadvanages. Anyone who think one car is much better than the other just dont know both of these cars well enough.
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I think a lot of us are here because we bought a BMW, and we happen to love it. A lot of us drove other cars and felt that BMW (5 series) was better than the competition, even though it was more expensive.

According to Autounion, if you love BMW then you're a badge whore. Dude, we all know how much you love Audi, for all we know you may be working for them. Just look at your name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_Union) I like Audi, specifically the S4. But I like 5 series better then the A6. I think you spend too much time talking a lot **** about BMW's on a BMW forum.

I know people that think that Honda is the best at any price point, and we're not just talking about reliability. They won't even look at another brand when it comes time to get a new car. To each his own.

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