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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 09-26-2012, 05:26 AM
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I am considering two vehicles for purchase described below. Any recommendations from experienced BMW owners.

2001 530I, Manual transmission with 65750 miles, good service history at BMW dealer that will run about $10,900.00 out the door

2003 530I, Automatic transmission with about 64975 miles, good service history at BMW dealer that will run about $13,150.00 out the door.

Neither vehicle has had front suspension bushing replacement. Neither vehicle has had radiator/expansion tank / water pump replacement. The 2003 has "some" pixels not illuminating but I don't know how critical that is. Is it something that needs addressing immediately or can wait till later?

The '03 is a Sport Model / Premium / beautiful interior.

the '01 has the Premium Package only.

Both have better than average tires.
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Old 09-26-2012, 06:35 AM
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I would go with the 03. The sport pkg worth it IMO, and beautiful interior is a plus. AT is fine for me as a DD.
Pixel-out can wait. You can contact BMW NA for their "good will" too
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Old 09-26-2012, 06:36 AM
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I have 2 E39s, a 1999 528i with the sport pkg., and a 2001 530i without it. I definitely prefer the ride/handling of the one with the sport pkg. $2250.00 isnít much more for a car thatís 2 years newer. Iíd go for the 2003.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:09 AM
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My first thought is those cars are both seem overpriced. Are these at BMW dealers or private party? Are they certified pre owned or something (if BMW would do that for cars that age)? The mileage is low, but the e39 market has really dropped in the past year or two I think those sound more like 540 prices. Perhaps I am wrong. But I paid on the high end of the 530 market for my car two years ago, the market has really dropped since then and my car was only a couple grand more than that 2003 and had similar mileage. Also are there other differences besides the sport package and year cause the price difference seems a little steep between the two.

My second thought is do not buy either car without getting a PPI (pre purchase inspection). A BMW dealer or reputable independent BMW specialist can do the inspection. It will give you a much better idea of any problems areas of either car. You can of course use that information in your bargaining too.

Tough call. Ideal would be if the manual transmission car was a sport package car. Personally that 4 spoke steering wheel and non sport seats along with the non sport springs higher ride height are deal breakers for me. I also prefer the shadow line trim (black vs chrome around the exterior windows) of the sport package. But the slushbox on the other car is also a deal breaker. Are any of these deal breakers for you? You could swap seats and steering wheels after purchase its very doable, but of course will cost you a little in parts. Also if you plan on doing coilovers or lowering springs anyway the suspension issue no longer matters.

Do you plan on keeping the car a long time? In theory the slushbox will not last as long/give you more problems. But if you start changing the transmission fluid it may not be an issue.

As far as the pixels go this is very common on the e39. Both the MID (radio area if the car does not have NAV) display and the instrument cluster display suffer from this problem. It will probably only get worse over time and eventually need to be addressed as it will be hard to read the display or become really annoying. This is one of the more reputable places for repair. They charge $279 for the cluster and $195 for the MID. You may still be able to get a goodwill repair from BMW NA, but I believe even if they cover the full cost of parts they still charge you for install.
http://www.vdorepair.com/ServiceOrder/Default.aspx

Make sure you check both areas well on both cars scroll through the BC in both locations and play around with the radio to get an idea of how many pixels are out. I think it you search this forum you will also find a pixel test procedure that will illuminate all the pixels at once so you can see which are working and which are not.

Also in narrowing them down are there any other feature differences that might sway the purchase for you one way or another. Xenon lights, split folding rear seats, sunshades, wood vs other trim options.

Xenon lights are nice to have from the factory so you don't have to deal with conversions. Easiest way to tell if you are not familiar with them is to pop the hood and look for two silver boxes (one on each side of the car) attached to the back of the headlights. Don't just assume since is has premium package or cause of the year it has xenon. You can have a 2003 530 with premium package and halogen lights from the factory (mine did). Also check both cars headlight adjusters as broken adjusters are quite common. They can be fixed much more easily on the 2001 than the 2003 as the 2003's lights will definitely have the permanent epoxy that makes opening the light next to impossible whereas the 2001's lights should be easy to open with a little heat.

While you are at it check to make sure neither car had cheap aftermarket lights installed in place of the factory lights. Given the years and the low miles those should be oem lights, but previous owners sometimes do weird things.You don't want to be stuck with some crappy ebay knock offs cause the previous owner kept the nice lights or was too cheap the use quality replacements after an accident or stone chip.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:17 AM
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+1 to the above. However, the bigger questions are: Do you want a manual or do you prefer and auto? And then, how long do you plan to keep the car? Many on this forum regard the e39 as the best blend of affordable and maintainable performance and luxury made by BMW. It is one of the last few cars that you can work on (DIY) and the wealth of online assistance is amazing. If you are in it for the long haul and don't mind the manual, get the manual gear box. For the $2200 savings, put it towards maintenance or suspension improvements. Both are over priced but the auto is way over priced. I paid $13K for mine (02 sport auto) 4 years ago!
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:22 AM
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Great information.

Both vehicles are at dealerships; one a Lexus dealership and the other at a BMW dealership. It is hard to determine price range and KBB, NADAGUIDES, and Edmunds are so far apart it isn't even funny. KBB will say the '03, at a dealership is worth $14,300 or so. If you go to EBAY and look at actual "completed sales", there are VERY few listings that actually get sold; very few.

Might definitely be worth a wait. Neither vehicle is CPO due to age. Also, the '03 has the Xenon Headlights and the front left is "loose". This came from the PPI at the servicing BMW dealership. I really think that if they frontline a car for RETAIL pricing, that they should fix the instrument panel cluster and the front headlight. What is your opinion about that? I don't think they will due to non safety issues.

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Old 09-26-2012, 07:57 AM
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I would agree completely. At that price, the car needs to be immaculate with NO issues or problems. I highly doubt that this 9 year old car will sell quickly. Wait them out.
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Old 09-26-2012, 10:07 AM
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If you have to go for 530 go with 01, save some money for repairs or upgrades. Bargain the asking price, you can do better, dealers make more money from a used car than a new one. Most important check the car, repairs can cost you. I own a 540i and love the power, not that the 530 is a bad car, but keep in mind the weight. Good luck
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Old 09-26-2012, 10:32 AM
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Out of the 2 E39 530i's mentioned above, I would get the one with the Manual Transmission, without a doubt...!
Manual transmission 530i's are rare IMO, and has been thought of "The" best E39 to buy/ own.

All of the above posts above have awesome information...!
And, I totally agree with them...!

I too would note the needed work that needs to be done these cars at the car's age, and use that information (cost of repairs) as a bargaining tool to lower the price.
1. Cooling - total cost to bring the car up to par...
2. Suspension - total cost " " " "
3. Whatever else...

See if the dealer has a log of any of the Service History done to the vehicle.
Find out who the previous owner was...
Contact the local BMW dealer and see if they have a log of any Service History done to the vehicle.

Make sure the car has its glove box manual book, and ALL of the keys the car should come with.

Getting the car with a manual transmission will:
1. Save you money later, because you will not need to purchase a whole new Automatic Transmission, and pay for the labor to have the old one removed, and the new one installed.
2. Give you that fun to drive factor - car is much more engaging...
3. Better mileage.
4. Allow you to do any maintenance YOURSELF if anything goes wrong with the clutch, etc. ...
5. Better performance, handling, braking, etc. ...

I would print out, or read thoroughly the E39 problems:
Common E39 Problems:
1. http://www.540i6.com/probsfixes.html
2. http://edgemotorworks.com/index.php?...d=27&Itemid=55

Thanks!
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