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E60 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 09-18-2014, 10:15 AM
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Should I get 550 E60 syle or New style (2012)

Hello all,

I am thinking about to get the 550i question is should I go with the new style 550i (2012) or stay with the old style E60 (2010). which one less headache about maintenance and less issue?
any feedback will be appreciated.
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Well you already have a E60 2010 which is the last year of the E60's why get a E60 550? if you're looking for power you have a ton of options. Go for the F10 V8 twin turbo and don't look back, the F10 should still have warranty and maybe maintenance package.
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Old 09-18-2014, 10:51 AM
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Yeah, I am looking for true power V8. So which one has less problems?
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You're comparing apples to kumquats here man.
While I am a sucked for the E60 body style, if I had my choice between a 2010 550i or a 2012 550i, I would take the 2012 in a heartbeat. It is newer, is most likely still under warranty and maintenance package...

I am not smitten by the F10 body styling but the interior, for me, is worlds better than my E60's. Hell...just the cup holders and better seats were enough for me with my last service loaner (2014 528i)
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Old 09-18-2014, 11:16 AM
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Really can't say which one has less problems because it all depends on how well the previous owner cared for the car. So either one can be good or bad but like i said the 2012 may have maintenance package so if anything breaks you are covered. The 2010 can have or you can get an extended warranty so it really comes down to if you want the newer body or not? Do you want turbo or N/A?
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Old 09-18-2014, 12:30 PM
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Honestly I like the old E60 body style but very hard to get one with low miles. I found one 2012, m-sport loaded option, 14Kmiles very nice one but the interior is TAN that throw me off.
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If you decide you don't want the f10 550, shoot me the info and I may take a look...
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Old 09-18-2014, 02:30 PM
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E60 550 Cons:
Crappy seals that will leak eventually
In-town fuel mileage poor
Valve stem seals (if you plan on keeping past 100k)
not tunable
HP-to-engine size not that great anymore
old tech on 2009-earlier
kinda old looking interior



F10 Cons:
Fuel Injector problems (on earlier cars)
carbon buildup issues
potential turbo problems
Substantial oil usage at low mileage (that supposedly clears up....eventually)
handling not as tight (can be fixed with coilovers?)
electric steering
can't get a decent sound with exhaust (pickin' nits, but I've yet to hear a nice sounding F10)
generally overweight

Most of this is moot with a warranty. If i had the choice, I'd get an F10 with a warranty...
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Old 09-18-2014, 03:31 PM
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If you think owning E60 out of warranty is troubling it pales in comparison to the F10.
Any engine service item is buried under turbos and turbo plumbing.
Turbo install has critical alignment that so far requires an expensive factory alignment tool.

You need to go drive an F10 as the electric steering and ride tuning for "luxury" have made it more Buick Motor Works and less Bavarian Motor Works.
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Old 09-18-2014, 04:35 PM
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I had to make the same call a year and half ago. I went with E60 2010. Test drive both and decide for yourself.
Interior and exterior designs is very personal. E60 LCI is Ipod vs Japanese Kenwood mini system from 90 (F10).



Here is overview (using google translate) of BMW V8 engines.

If you plan to own your factory warranty you must read this!
Here is a review of N63 engine used in F10 550i (also google translated).

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Old 09-18-2014, 07:45 PM
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Jeez, this is an easy one...

Go with the E60.

F10s, while beautiful, are Buh-OR-ING to drive. I mean, full-on fun-sapping, luxo-barge, overly refined, well-engineered sport sedan wannabes.

I would know. I have an LCI E60 550i, and my wife's 535 F10. The F10 is such a snoozer to drive that I actually prefer driving my 1998 Ford Ranger XLT - AND I'M NOT KIDDING.

We test drove the 550i F10 before she settled on the 535ix, but that didn't matter. The F10 is a 7er wannabe, whether it has the I6 or the V8.

Your real comparison is an LCI E60 550i or an ///M4.

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Old 09-18-2014, 08:31 PM
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+2 that Dawg. I thought the F10 was boring. Drive one for yourself. Since U already have a 535 why not consider an M5 e60 model. Dont know which yr was the best for the M5, but since I have the 550 '09 to me it would have to be an M5, M4, M3 or comparable driving experience machine. The newer f10 just seemed dull not razor sharp like dynamics and handling.
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I guess I'll be the dissenting vote. Once my motor blows up I'm going to look for a F10 550i and slap on a JB4 stg1 and DD it. I'd still keep the E60 to rebuild the engine, strip it down and put the biggest single turbo I can find on it.
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I guess I'll be the dissenting vote. Once my motor blows up I'm going to look for a F10 550i and slap on a JB4 stg1 and DD it. I'd still keep the E60 to rebuild the engine, strip it down and put the biggest single turbo I can find on it.
Yea that F10 550i with a JB4 has some serious power. It would be like having a E60 M5.
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The body style on F10 so boring. I personally don't like the round edges on the rear. I may have to go for the test drive at the dealer this week on the F10.
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The body style on F10 so boring. I personally don't like the round edges on the rear. I may have to go for the test drive at the dealer this week on the F10.
I agree with you on that, the E60 looks much more aggressive than the F10.
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Yea that F10 550i with a JB4 has some serious power. It would be like having a E60 M5.
But guys, it's not all about power. It's about driving dynamics. The F10's handling is awesome, and it can actually beat an E60 on the 'Ring due to some pretty fancy engineering, but they've so over-engineered it that it has lost "that lovin' feeling." There is nothing distinctive about the feel or handling - from the driver's seat - in an F10. It just feels too isolated from the road, and from the driving experience.

When I get into my E60, though, with those awesome 20-way sport seats, I feel like I'm morphing into the car, and when driving it the car makes you feel very connected to it. The butt-dyno and the steering wheel feel just completely blow the F10 out of the water. Makes the F10 feel like a 7er, while the E60 feels like a cruise missile.

You can boost the engine on the F10 all day long, and I suppose you can re-do the suspension in enough ways to get some of that lovin' feeling back, but out of the box an E60 is the superior "driver's car."
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Yep out of the box a E60 handles better. I did the BMW Ultimate Driving Experience and did the F10 535i&535d autoX (very small course) class last month and was impressed at how it handles for how large the car is. However I'm not a out of the box kind of guy so yes either V3's or Ohlins, if available, CO's would be the first mod and then lightweight 20's or even 21's would be next. Like I said I'd keep the E60 since it is still a great car and I'd make it the ultimate E60 track machine.


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I found this one very much full options accept HUD. There is 20K miles on it now. How much do you guys think I should bargain ? They're asking for $47,450

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I actually drove an F10 550i yesterday and was not impressed. Definitely has power and I thought it sounded decent for being turboed. I was not blown away by the interior though. I actually feel my E60 has better materials. Case in point: the overhead panel that houses the lights, and moonroof controls is cheap plastic and in mine, it's covered in headliner material. The moonroof switch itself felt cheap. I'm nitpicking here, but I just wasn't blown away by the vehicle. The additional features and newer tech is nice for sure.

Ultimately, the E60 feels more connected and pure than the F10. Not that the F10 is bad, it just isn't what it once was. If you want something like an E60, go for a new Cadillac CTS V-Sport...it's honestly the only thing I would consider a true replacement for my 550i.
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When is new 550 model coming! Had to ask! Is it 2016! Was looking at the 4 series. 110" wheel base . E60 is 113.7". Have to figure out what the next new upgrade like e60 Will be. Or just keep this m 2009 550 forever!
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Vk535! U get that F10 5! 4 maybe low 40$.
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You have an E-60 535, the E60 550 is not really all that faster, and if you chip your 535, not faster period. And the 535 has less mass up front with the 6 rather than the 8.

So why would you switch to another E 60?
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But guys, it's not all about power. It's about driving dynamics. The F10's handling is awesome, and it can actually beat an E60 on the 'Ring due to some pretty fancy engineering, but they've so over-engineered it that it has lost "that lovin' feeling." There is nothing distinctive about the feel or handling - from the driver's seat - in an F10. It just feels too isolated from the road, and from the driving experience.

When I get into my E60, though, with those awesome 20-way sport seats, I feel like I'm morphing into the car, and when driving it the car makes you feel very connected to it. The butt-dyno and the steering wheel feel just completely blow the F10 out of the water. Makes the F10 feel like a 7er, while the E60 feels like a cruise missile.

You can boost the engine on the F10 all day long, and I suppose you can re-do the suspension in enough ways to get some of that lovin' feeling back, but out of the box an E60 is the superior "driver's car."
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