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Just got my Dinan S2 installed - My Impressions

So, I just got my Dinan Stage 2 installed yesterday at my local dealer. In talking with my SA, he said everything went smoothly and as it should (I have known him since grade school, so he is straight with me). Here are my initial impressions, both quantitative and qualitative. I want to give my impressions for those thinking about making this purchase, as it is rather expensive, and there have been some who have had install issues. The pros and cons of Dinan S2 vs. other tunes have been discussed at length, so I don't want to turn this into a which one is better thread.

Also, it has been said that it takes a couple of weeks of driving to get the full benefit out of the flash, and these are my impressions after one night...I will update after a couple of weeks of driving.

Quantitative Measures: Using the p3 gauge I have installed, I was able to take before and after measurements in a 0-60 and boost pressure. So pre install, under most WOT conditions it would measure around 8-8.5 psi+/- and maxed out at 10psi. As far as 0-60 runs, I was consistently running around a 5.0. Note that I am carrying probably 150 lbs more than I should be in the drivers seat. Also, none of these were done in perfectly ideal conditions. Post install, I would have expected the boost pressure to increased to around 12.5-13 and max out at 14.5. Unfortunately, I have not seen that as of yet, I am usually in the 10.5 range, and maxed at 11.5. Most of those gains are in the low gears, as under WOT on the highway, it reads in the high 9s. I am hoping that this will improve over time, but I am glad there is some gain there that at least shows change. I had the chance to run 1 0-60, and it came in about .3 seconds lower. Again, hoping this improves over a couple of weeks.

Qualitative Measures (aka butt dyno): The car definitely pulls harder, both in low gears and at highway speeds (like 60-100). The throttle is much more responsive in low gears and higher gears. When I was driving in traffic however, the car was as smooth as pre-install, which is nice.

Overall impression: So far, I am just ok. There are definite improvements, however I was expecting more for the price/advertised gains. I will withhold final impression for a couple of weeks. If I don't notice more improvement, I will likely take it to a dyno to get another quantitative measure, and if it doesn't show improvements over a base run, I will be contacting Dinan.
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Old 08-15-2013, 06:40 AM
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Great review as it seems like you're preparing for the worst on my understanding ? I also suggest to Dyno the car after a couple of weeks as you will be able to tell just by knowing how much WHP & TQ you're making, I'd also suggest you use a Dynojet to compare with some other Dyno graffs already done for the N63. I dyno my F02 yesterday and if you like I could email you the graff for future comparison ? GL and keep us posted
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eh good review but sad to see you went the Dinan route.
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I see 14.4-14.9 psi consistently at WOT with Stg 2, reagardless of gear.

I would suggest doing 3rd gear WOT from ~3k RPM to as close to red line as you can get. If it's not in the 14+ range I would have them check it out.
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I see 14.4-14.9 psi consistently at WOT with Stg 2, reagardless of gear.

I would suggest doing 3rd gear WOT from ~3k RPM to as close to red line as you can get. If it's not in the 14+ range I would have them check it out.
Did you see this level of boost right off the bat after the flash, or did it take a couple of weeks?
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I can't imagine any tune taking a couple of weeks to adapt. Back when i had my 335 I went through 3 different tunes and most of them would pretty much fully adapt after one long drive. Driving aggressively would speed up that adaptation. Typically flash tunes require LESS time to adapt compared to piggyback tunes too.
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I can't imagine any tune taking a couple of weeks to adapt. Back when i had my 335 I went through 3 different tunes and most of them would pretty much fully adapt after one long drive. Driving aggressively would speed up that adaptation. Typically flash tunes require LESS time to adapt compared to piggyback tunes too.
I would tend to agree Alan, however other people have said it takes a couple weeks to get the full potential...also, like I said above I have seen some gain, just not the full amount. If I don't get there after a couple of weeks then
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then its dyno time and ask for a refund if the gains aren't there.
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Did you see this level of boost right off the bat after the flash, or did it take a couple of weeks?
I did not have a boost gauge when I got the software in 2011, but did do before and after dynos. I dyno'd the car stock, drove to the dealer to get the flash then drove back to get the after dyno and saw gains.

The first few pulls the HP was increasing each time, then it leveled out and we called it a day. I believe that was the adaptation period, maybe 5 miles of aggressive driving from the dealership and 5-6 WOT pulls on the dyno.

I wouldn't imagine you would get 5-6psi increase in boost just from adaptations.
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The Dinan Performance Engine Software safely increases turbo-boost pressure from the stock 9.8 to 14.0 psi, along with properly retuned fuel mixtures, ignition timing and full map rescaling. In fact, over 2000 lines of code have been addressed, producing substantial increases in power output while maintaining the civility and reliability expected of a Dinan performance product.

http://www.dinancars.com/products/7-...2012-only.aspx
I agree with Alextremo, Stage 2 needs to be > 14.0 psi.


Badblack550xi,

What pressures are you attaining the standard BMS and your drag set-up?
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Wait I thought the N63 makes 11.9 psi stock or I'm wrong ?
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Wait I thought the N63 makes 11.9 psi stock or I'm wrong ?
From what I have read stock max is 10. This would concur with my pre-install readings on my gauge.
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I agree with Alextremo, Stage 2 needs to be > 14.0 psi.


Badblack550xi,

What pressures are you attaining the standard BMS and your drag set-up?
+2.25 and + 4.0
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+2.25 and + 4.0
Have you measured actual boost on your car or are these the numbers claimed by burger?
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+2.25 and + 4.0
+4 psi requires 100 Octane? Based on a different N63 tune, I figured you would need +9-10 psi before you need 100 Octane.
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+4 psi requires 100 Octane? Based on a different N63 tune, I figured you would need +9-10 psi before you need 100 Octane.
As I understand it the burger tune attenuates the signal from the MAP sensor, thereby causing the ecu to call for more boost. As far as I know it doesn't alter any other engine parameters (such as timing) so requiring race fuel is a way to protect against detonation.

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As I understand it the burger tune attenuates the signal from the MAP sensor, thereby causing the ecu to call for more boost. As far as I know it doesn't alter any other engine parameters (such as timing) so requiring race fuel is a way to protect against detonation.
That's good to know. If I get Dinan for my 6er, I may try using a BMS as a stack-on to see how it affects performance at the track. I'd certainly use 100 gas at that point.
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That's good to know. If I get Dinan for my 6er, I may try using a BMS as a stack-on to see how it affects performance at the track. I'd certainly use 100 gas at that point.
Not sure if the jb tune has datalogging built in, if not you will want to buy a tool like: www.bavariantechnic.com

The boost reading from this will be the 'fake' signal (what the ecu sees) but you will be able to log timing, intake temps, egt, AFR, and knock sensor output to make sure your car is happy with the set up.

Personally, I would install a mechanical boost gauge to be sure the boost my car is seeing is what I expect.

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+4 psi requires 100 Octane? Based on a different N63 tune, I figured you would need +9-10 psi before you need 100 Octane.
like i said i would run 100 at the track even on a stock car to keep the temps down
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As I understand it the burger tune attenuates the signal from the MAP sensor, thereby causing the ecu to call for more boost. As far as I know it doesn't alter any other engine parameters (such as timing) so requiring race fuel is a way to protect against detonation.
Actually they cut down the timing by 1.5 degrees to compensate the 2psi added, everything else is untouched as AFR remains the same
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Actually they cut down the timing by 1.5 degrees to compensate the 2psi added, everything else is untouched as AFR remains the same
Are you sure? I thought only the jb4 had the ability to adjust timing. How are you connecting to the CPS?
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Are you sure? I thought only the jb4 had the ability to adjust timing. How are you connecting to the CPS?
Yes pretty sure it comes from BMS like that. Timing Changes aren't possible by us using the USB cable as we can only change the boost levels . Email terry he will comfirm
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So another drive in this morning, and still feel the same about it. I haven't had a chance to run a couple more 0-60s, but I plan to tonight, and the boost is still not reading 14.5. Either way I am thinking I am going to get a Dyno done. There are a couple of Dynojet AWD places near me which can do AWD, so I will likely either do it this weekend or next. From what I have read, I should expect about a 15% loss from crank numbers, so something in the 425 range for HP and 487 for TQ. It will be interesting to see what I get.

The bigger question is this - If the numbers come in low...what will Dinan do about it...
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So another drive in this morning, and still feel the same about it. I haven't had a chance to run a couple more 0-60s, but I plan to tonight, and the boost is still not reading 14.5. Either way I am thinking I am going to get a Dyno done. There are a couple of Dynojet AWD places near me which can do AWD, so I will likely either do it this weekend or next. From what I have read, I should expect about a 15% loss from crank numbers, so something in the 425 range for HP and 487 for TQ. It will be interesting to see what I get.

The bigger question is this - If the numbers come in low...what will Dinan do about it...
425/480 sounds about right, I've achieved that with BMS stage1 which should put me at 11.8 psi. Also roughly for more accuracy, I'd play safe and account 12% drivetrain loss
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