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Old 09-26-2012, 03:14 PM
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ED vs Special Order

Does European Delivery (ED) save money? Using my numbers below for a 2013 328i, ED is $1,090 over invoice. If $500-$1,000 over invoice is common, then I donít see any difference between ED and a special order at the dealer. I travel through Munich on business every few months so, ED doesnít add any cost to me (no airline ticket). I assume you pay sales tax at destination, training fee, MACO, registration, etc., regardless of ED or special order.

I also saw an old post on military sales but, Iím not quite sure on those numbers. If thatís worth considering, I can revive that thread.

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MSRP
Base Price - $36,500
LCL4 - $1,450
ZSL - $2,500
ZLP - $900
494 - $500
609 - $2,150
Destination Chg - $895
Total - $44,895

European Delivery
Base Price - $33,995
LCL4 - $1,450
ZSL - $2,500
ZLP - $900
494 - $500
609 - $2,150
Destination Chg - $895
Total - $42,390

Edmundís Invoice
Base Price - $33,580
LCL4 - $1,320
ZSL - $2,275
ZLP - $820
494 - $455
609 - $1,955
Destination Chg - $895
Total - $41,300

For all three, I assume you add:
Sales Tax 9.1%
Title/Registration $600
Training $200
MACO ????
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Old 09-26-2012, 04:08 PM
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You can use bmwconfig.com to find the invoice price for both ED and USD. The "$500-$1000 over invoice" deal can then be applied to both ED and USD invoice prices. Note, however, that some further discounts can be applied to the USD price but not to the ED price.
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No MACO or training fee on ED.
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You work your deal to $XX.00 over ED Invoice rather than $XX.00 over U.S. invoice. You should save some big bucks. And, like said before, no MACO or training fees. Since you travel there frequently, it should be almost a "no brainer."

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Now, I'm catching on.

I was looking at ED MSRP $42,390. ED Invoice is $38,995.

That is a no brainer.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:48 PM
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No MACO or training fee on ED.
Cool. Anything else?? Do you get hit up for documentation or other fees on ED? If so, what's reasonable?
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Old 09-28-2012, 01:08 AM
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No additional fees. Some dealers don't like doing ED because an ED order doesn't improve their allocation from BMW (generally, the more cars a dealer orders, the more cars it gets from BMW the following year). So make sure you use a dealer who's familiar with ED, because it's a bit complicated on their end (getting an appointment at BMW Welt, submitting photocopies of passports, etc.).

ED is one of the great secrets of our time -- there's nothing like seeing your car twirling at BMW Welt:
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does anyone know which models are currently NOT available for ED? I'm guessing the z4, but what about the 128, 328, and X1?

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does anyone know which models are currently NOT available for ED? I'm guessing the z4, but what about the 128, 328, and X1?

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Xmodels except the X1 are produced in Spartanburg, so no ED. All others are available, including Z4 (Z4 no longer from Spartanburg; X1 currently comes out of dealer allocation, so not as much of a price break on it).
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ED does not "save money". It gets you a heavily discounted European vacation to pick up your car with a very cool delivery at the BMW Welt and then the opportunity to drive it on the roads for which it was designed. It is a great experience.
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ED does not "save money". It gets you a heavily discounted European vacation to pick up your car with a very cool delivery at the BMW Welt and then the opportunity to drive it on the roads for which it was designed. It is a great experience.
+1 I did 4 ED's and always saved big bucks on the car but it went back into a vacation and a great experience.
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If you are leasing the savings on a 3 series with current lease residuals works out to about $1200-$1500 over the life of a 3 year lease. Basically it saves enough money to partially pay for the trip to Germany assuming you are going with someone else.

If you are buying then the full savings are realized, and at that point the savings should cover the entire cost of the trip (assuming you get a good price on flights, etc) and maybe even leave a little in your pocket afterwards.
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ED does not "save money". It gets you a heavily discounted European vacation to pick up your car with a very cool delivery at the BMW Welt and then the opportunity to drive it on the roads for which it was designed. It is a great experience.
It does save money if that is what it is wanted. Otherwise, the savings could be used for the vacation/travel.

In the particular case of the OP, his European business trips make ED a no brainer if he can get a $500/$1000 over ED invoice deal. His travel expenses are business-related and he can just get the car and just drop it off at the airport the same day and continue his trip like he normally does. No need to even pay $10 a gallon for gas if he does not want it to.

That will make his F30 purchase about 13% below USA MSRP. Try asking for such a discount to any dealer for an ordered car to see what happens...
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If you are leasing the savings on a 3 series with current lease residuals works out to about $1200-$1500 over the life of a 3 year lease..
How do you come up with that figure?
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How do you come up with that figure?
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bmwconfig.com but its not even that hard. The difference between US and ED invoice pricing is about $3500. On a lease you are paying about 40% of that amount. Plus MF on an ED is slightly higher.

Obviously anyone making the decision should crunch the numbers themselves (and residual on an ED is calculated from US MSRP) when I worked it out it was about $40 a month less for theED on a 3 year lease. So about $1500 less over the life of the lease.
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You work your deal to $XX.00 over ED Invoice rather than $XX.00 over U.S. invoice. You should save some big bucks. And, like said before, no MACO or training fees. Since you travel there frequently, it should be almost a "no brainer."
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To rephrase slightly, the price for an ED order is negotiable, just like buying the car normally. For example on my car, I negotiated $1000 over ED invoice for my car (including dealer fees). Combined with the BMW loyalty incentive ($750), I payed about $6400 less than the U.S. MSRP. Even better deals can be had too if you go to one of the forum sponsors (none in my area unfortunately).
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It does save money if that is what it is wanted. Otherwise, the savings could be used for the vacation/travel.

In the particular case of the OP, his European business trips make ED a no brainer if he can get a $500/$1000 over ED invoice deal. His travel expenses are business-related and he can just get the car and just drop it off at the airport the same day and continue his trip like he normally does. No need to even pay $10 a gallon for gas if he does not want it to.

That will make his F30 purchase about 13% below USA MSRP. Try asking for such a discount to any dealer for an ordered car to see what happens...
Totally agree. I bought my flight ticket for $700. And paid for 2 tank of gas for my drive from Munich to Paris, stayed with family in both city so did not pay for hotels. In the end my expenses were a little more than a $1000.
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I built a spreadshee with a couple of donwloads from BMW config (so I could kind of have my lease calculator with US/ED on the go), marking a few fields let me select/remove the options I am toying with, plus a couple of other fields allow me to play with the numbers (from 500$ over inoive (optimistinc) to $1500 over invoice (pesimistic) and the possible incentives ($500 BMWCCA at least or any seasonal incentives if applicable).
All the parameters return a calculation for both ED and US deliveries (I can also compere options with cap reduction (or not - which is the way I am going) or additional MSDs or not.

All in all assuming the same conditions ED looks to be about $52 per month. Over the term of the lease, and once I add what I've budgeted to pick up the car around $1600 (hopefully it could might come a bit under that, since it might be just a quick dash), it looks like ED will still save me just north of $500. (the main drawback I see is that it seems that ED will extend my waiting time (from order until the car is delivered states side) maybe a couple of weeks.....

Where it might be interesting for me is that I also go to Europe (northern France) in average once a year. So unless something changes next year I might be able to make pick the car up during one of those trips. I might also actually take my wife for our 10th anniversary at the end of next year to Europe, so if I can wait long enough to hold my order (I am not sure I will be able too...) the savings could be even higher....

So to sum things up, Ninja's numbers look accurate for a 328i (not that he needed by validation )
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