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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 09-28-2012, 06:19 PM
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He should have tested and F30 with the adaptive suspension. he would have had a lot of fun.
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I would agree but just like the damn S4 and 335i tests these reviewers forget that BMW does offer adaptive suspension which can change the handling characteristics. So this caddy had the magnetic shocks, why not test a 328i with the adaptive suspension. Another thing, what tires did the 328i have on? it makes a world of difference.

The one thing that BMW messed up IMO with the F30 is to go balls out with the Sportline for gas millage. The Sportline should have had at least 245-40/18s on, and they be summer performance tires standard, while all season should be optional.
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I would agree but just like the damn S4 and 335i tests these reviewers forget that BMW does offer adaptive suspension which can change the handling characteristics. So this caddy had the magnetic shocks, why not test a 328i with the adaptive suspension. Another thing, what tires did the 328i have on? it makes a world of difference.

The one thing that BMW messed up IMO with the F30 is to go balls out with the Sportline for gas millage. The Sportline should have had at least 245-40/18s on, and they be summer performance tires standard, while all season should be optional.
Both reviews (MT and C&D) seemed to have tested the Sport Line, which presumably comes with the sport suspension (please correct me if I am wrong here). Please note that none of the reviewers ever complained the ride was too harsh. The common complaint is that the ride is still too soft or the steering is not communicative and linear enough.

Also, the test cars are typically supplied by the manufacturers. If anything, it's BMW's fault for not furnishing a properly equipped car for reviews.

As for the tires, I agree with you (and I would go one step further and ask BMW to give an option for non-RFT), but they keep insisting on these mediocre tires unless you opt for the expensive M-Sport line.
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I would agree but just like the damn S4 and 335i tests these reviewers forget that BMW does offer adaptive suspension which can change the handling characteristics. So this caddy had the magnetic shocks, why not test a 328i with the adaptive suspension. Another thing, what tires did the 328i have on? it makes a world of difference.

The one thing that BMW messed up IMO with the F30 is to go balls out with the Sportline for gas mileage. The Sportline should have had at least 245-40/18s on, and they be summer performance tires standard, while all season should be optional.
Exactly what I was going to say. They don't tell you specifically what suspensions or tires the cars have. They don't compare apples to apples. These comparos have very limited usefulness. One of the main valid comparisons he made was the utility of CUE. And it is exactly what I was thinking as the Cadillac product specialist was telling us how wonderful it was. One "everyday" gentleman did comment on all the finger prints on the screen and ask how to clean it. But, I held my tongue and didn't challenge her on each point as she went along. Just seemed it would be bad form since they did let us rag on their CTS-Vs all day.

For the same reason, I didn't point out that most of the wonderful "new" technology they were touting as the latest and greatest for Cadillac and the ATS is already on my 2006 E90 330i and has been on the higher end Bimmers since before that. He did ask if anyone knew what brake drying technology was. When I said yes he seemed quite surprised. He asked how I knew. I said, "you don't want to know." He pressed. I said, "because I've had it on my BMW 3 Series for the past six years."

BMWNA bears a lot of the responsibility for the lack of apples to apples testing/comparing. These car rags compare the cars the manufacturers supply to them. BMW needs to supply cars with ZDH and summer tires.
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My Luxury line is tons of fun with its quick acceleration, smooth shifting, and easy steering. Yeah, I lose a little stickiness in the twisties but straight-line the F30 is an absolute blast.

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My Luxury line is tons of fun with its quick acceleration, smooth shifting, and easy steering. Yeah, I lose a little stickiness in the twisties but straight-line the F30 is an absolute blast.

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That's what all of us Bimmerphiles care about, BJ - straight line acceleration
Don't know what to tell you other than BMW didn't build the F30 by mistake. It's what their customers want. We don't track the thing. We drive our kids to ballet in it. We drive it on highways to visit grandma.

So if adding the stiffest, most adaptive suspension still doesn't cut it by your precious standards, enjoy your E90, go buy a vintage E36 as a weekend car, and move on. BMW has changed the 3 Series. You don't like it. We get it. Move on. No point in whining about it.

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They said the Caddy is more fun to drive. Has Hell frozen over? WTF, BMW, do we have to spend $70k to have a fun BMW?
Maybe that is what it takes these days.

If GM screws up on the sound of the 3.6L also, then game over as far as I am concerned.

But wait, this seems exactly what this reviewer thought

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Apparently Grandpa BJ has turned into an illiterate, senile, angry, idiot who can't read, recall or comprehend the posts I've made or remember who the people are who advocated for his satire when the majority told him to go f-off. I guess maybe the majority was correct.
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Grandpa BJ is grumpy again.
If there's a grandpa in the room it's the one who's pining away to own a Cadillac, and that surely isn't me. I'm not grumpy at all. I love my car.

I'm not all conflicted inside, stuck in a 7 year old bodystyle that hasn't aged gracefully, wishing ill-will on my BMW brothers in their new cars, praying that Cadillac crushes the 3 Series. I'm not the one upset, looking at my old car each day, delusionally believing that BMW will listen to me, turn back the hands of time, make the E46 of my dreams again.

None of you are race car drivers. The 3 Series is not a race car. The problem is that you fail to realize those simple truths.

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Apparently Grandpa BJ has turned into an illiterate, senile, angry, idiot who can't read, recall or comprehend the posts I've made or remember who the people are who advocated for his satire when the majority told him to go f-off. I guess maybe the majority was correct.
The majority is always right, even if technically they are wrong. I have said grandpa BJ would do well moving to North Korea, he would be a good communication minister there.
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Apparently Grandpa BJ has turned into an illiterate, senile, angry, idiot who can't read, recall or comprehend the posts I've made or remember who the people are who advocated for his satire when the majority told him to go f-off. I guess maybe the majority was correct.
BJ remembers a fun tturedraider. Not this imposter who likes to sh-t on his new car.

This isn't satire. I'm genuinely offended by the demeanor of the E90 owners who have no business in the F30 forum other than to bash our cars. Is that not apparent to you, what you're doing and how it can be interpreted?

If I'm reading your posts correctly, you want the F30 to look like the E90 and handle like the E46. That's not happening, so is your point to go round in circles on this for the next 7 years until the next 3 Series is launched? If so, isn't the E90 forum the most appropriate place to do that?

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I have talked to people from BMW North America a number of times and have attended events where they spoke to owners and I have been given cars for extended test drives.

BMW is very aware that their image is based to a large extent on driving dynamics and being the "Ultimate Driving Machine". That is the way their core market views the 3 Series and that is the market segment that built the brand. They also realize that the "Badge Whores" are a fickle market and although BMW is perfectly willing to take their money, they realize that this is not a market segment that you can build a brand on.

BMW needs to build a 3 Series that combines good driving dynamics with a level of refinement that makes the car a pleasant daily driver. I have not driven an F30 but in stock condition my 335i was not a pleasant daily driver due to the poorly sorted out sport suspension.

The idea that a good performing car needs to have a rock hard suspension is simply not true.

Whatever manufacturer can provide a car that combines performance with refinement will dominate the segment whether it is BMW, Cadillac, Audi, Jaguar, Lexus or Infiniti,

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I have talked to people from BMW North America a number of times and have attended events where they spoke to owners and I have been given cars for extended test drives.

BMW is very aware that their image is based to a large extent on driving dynamics and being the "Ultimate Driving Machine". That is the way their core market views the 3 Series and that is the market segment that built the brand. They also realize that the "Badge Whores" are a fickle market and although BMW is perfectly willing to take their money, they realize that this is not a market segment that you can build a brand on.

BMW needs to build a 3 Series that combines good driving dynamics with a level of refinement that makes the car a pleasant daily driver. I have not driven an F30 but in stock condition my 335i was not a pleasant daily driver due to the poorly sorted out sport suspension.

The idea that a good performing car needs to have a rock hard suspension is simply not true.

Whatever manufacturer can provide a car that combines performance with refinement will dominate the segment whether it is BMW, Cadillac, Audi, Jaguar, Lexus or Infiniti,

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Good point. but I think the majority of average joe customers buy based on perception.

Currently the perception of BMW has much greater prestige than cadillac. Now, that can change but it will take a long time and certainly more than just one car model.
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Good point. but I think the majority of average joe customers buy based on perception.

Currently the perception of BMW has much greater prestige than cadillac. Now, that can change but it will take a long time and certainly more than just one car model.
Perception and prestige can change very rapidly.

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I have talked to people from BMW North America a number of times and have attended events where they spoke to owners and I have been given cars for extended test drives.

BMW is very aware that their image is based to a large extent on driving dynamics and being the "Ultimate Driving Machine". That is the way their core market views the 3 Series and that is the market segment that built the brand. They also realize that the "Badge Whores" are a fickle market and although BMW is perfectly willing to take their money, they realize that this is not a market segment that you can build a brand on.

BMW needs to build a 3 Series that combines good driving dynamics with a level of refinement that makes the car a pleasant daily driver. I have not driven an F30 but in stock condition my 335i was not a pleasant daily driver due to the poorly sorted out sport suspension.

The idea that a good performing car needs to have a rock hard suspension is simply not true.

Whatever manufacturer can provide a car that combines performance with refinement will dominate the segment whether it is BMW, Cadillac, Audi, Jaguar, Lexus or Infiniti,

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Good post.

And my contention is that the F30 is exactly what you describe. Sporty, luxurious, fast, comfortable, and beautiful. The blend of everything one would want. We never could say that about any other 3 Series before. That's why the F30 is so special.

M-Sport, Sport, Luxury, Modern, Base. Sport+, Sport, Comfort, Eco. Adaptive, Sport, Standard.

Mix and match, it's the most customizable 3 ever, something for everyone. Push it 10% any which-way. Make it more luxurious, check. Make it more sporty, check. Push a button to drive to the mall. Push a button to race the curves. You will need to compromise on interior colors, but you can build the exact F30 you want to suit however you want to drive. That's ultimately it's biggest advantage.

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I have talked to people from BMW North America a number of times and have attended events where they spoke to owners and I have been given cars for extended test drives.

BMW is very aware that their image is based to a large extent on driving dynamics and being the "Ultimate Driving Machine". That is the way their core market views the 3 Series and that is the market segment that built the brand. They also realize that the "Badge Whores" are a fickle market and although BMW is perfectly willing to take their money, they realize that this is not a market segment that you can build a brand on.

BMW needs to build a 3 Series that combines good driving dynamics with a level of refinement that makes the car a pleasant daily driver. I have not driven an F30 but in stock condition my 335i was not a pleasant daily driver due to the poorly sorted out sport suspension.

The idea that a good performing car needs to have a rock hard suspension is simply not true.

Whatever manufacturer can provide a car that combines performance with refinement will dominate the segment whether it is BMW, Cadillac, Audi, Jaguar, Lexus or Infiniti,

CA
Captain, BJ thinks you are getting senile, you were not talking to BMW representatives, they were just the 2% low fat milk.

Why I say BJ is the perfect candidate to be shipped to North Korea, there, 98% will agree with him, as for the other 2%, he would just ask his great leader to make them stop, stop, stop breathing. It will work out perfectly for him.

The above post of his is a perfect example of how he tells you what you meant in your post. Don't you ever point out it was not what you or the BMW reps meant. You don't want to be the 2%.

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In some circumstances i would agree. But Cadillac has a certain stigma to their brand that i think it would take a few very successful car models to overcome.
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In some circumstances i would agree. But Cadillac has a certain stigma to their brand that i think it would take a few very successful car models to overcome.
They have already done so with CTS. The initial sale of the XTS has also been good. ATS will also sell well, even if it is not as good as the new 3, as long as it is good on several fronts.

Some of our BMW drivers think the world evolves around them, not realizing there are plenty of people who have more money, and think Bimmer drivers are snobs.

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BJ remembers a fun tturedraider. Not this imposter who likes to sh-t on his new car.

This isn't satire. I'm genuinely offended by the demeanor of the E90 owners who have no business in the F30 forum other than to bash our cars. Is that not apparent to you, what you're doing and how it can be interpreted?

If I'm reading your posts correctly, you want the F30 to look like the E90 and handle like the E46. That's not happening, so is your point to go round in circles on this for the next 7 years until the next 3 Series is launched? If so, isn't the E90 forum the most appropriate place to do that?

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That's OK, BJ. I'm genuinely offended by you lately. You know, I've actually read your posts over the past number of years, not glossed over them on the way to my next "pithy" post. If what you stated is what you've gotten from my posts regarding the F30 then you either are not reading them or you have some serious problems with reading comprehension. I've not said ONE SINGLE WORD about wanting the F30 to look like the E90 nor handle like the E46. In fact, I happen to think the objective reality is that the E90 handles better than the E46, so for you to have inferred that I believe the F30 should handle like the E46 is ludicrous.

The only criticism I've posted regarding the F30 was BMW's decision to use a four cylinder motor to meet their fuel economy goals rather than a smaller inline six that is turbo charged, which I believe they could have done with a little extra effort. I have also commented that the direct injection on the turbo four does indeed make it sound like a diesel, which is an indisputable fact. Of course, these are mechanically based posts which I realize probably caused your eyes to glaze over.
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Good post.

And my contention is that the F30 is exactly what you describe. Sporty, luxurious, fast, comfortable, and beautiful. The blend of everything one would want. We never could say that about any other 3 Series before. That's why the F30 is so special.

M-Sport, Sport, Luxury, Modern, Base. Sport+, Sport, Comfort, Eco. Adaptive, Sport, Standard.

Mix and match, it's the most customizable 3 ever, something for everyone. Push it 10% any which-way. Make it more luxurious, check. Make it more sporty, check. Push a button to drive to the mall. Push a button to race the curves. You will need to compromise on interior colors, but you can build the exact F30 you want to suit however you want to drive. That's ultimately it's biggest advantage.

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I have never driven an F30 so I can't comment on how one drives but I do like the fact that it can be configured to be sporty, luxurious or whatever. The problem I had with the 335i was that it was that I did not like the handling without the sport package, although the ride was relatively comfortable in city and I liked the handling (on smooth surfaces) with the sport package but hated the harshness and crashiness on poor surfaces. I am in love with the adjustable suspension on the 750LIx. It literally gives you the best of both worlds.

As for styling, I have never been enthalled with the looks of BMWs (including the two that I own). I don't think they are bad looking, I just find them to be rather bland and run of the mill (innocuous?).

I will probably replace the fun car (the 335i) in a year or so. At this point (now that I finally have made it into the car i thought I bought in 2007) I am going to enjoy driving it for a while. I took it to Lime Rock this weekend and hopefully we will get some top down weather.

Whether I replace it with another BMW is not determined at this point. I intend to look at the 4 Series convertible and the M4 convertible but will also be looking at the new Jaguar F-Type, Porsche, Maserati and whatever else is available at the time.

CA
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They have already done so with CTS. The initial sale of the XTS has also been good. ATS will also sell well, even if it is not as good as the new 3, as long as it is good on several fronts.

Some of our BMW drivers think the world evolves around them, not realizing there are plenty of people who have more money, and think Bimmer drivers are snobs.
You sound so cute when you get angry
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You sound so cute when you get angry
An example of snobbish behavior is one assumes too much. You have not said anything on topic for awhile now.

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