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Actually I don't think the 3 Series represents a bad value.

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You dont buy a BMW for value.
The poll was asking what each automobile magazine writer would buy as their own car for up to $100,000. Many/most BMWs certainly fit into this price range.
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The poll was asking what each automobile magazine writer would buy as their own car for up to $100,000. Many/most BMWs certainly fit into this price range.
I wouldn't buy any other sport sedan under 50k
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No BMWs listed in the top cars that the auto writers would buy for under $100,000.

"As automotive writers, we're always asked what our favorite cars are or which cars we would buy if we had the money. To answer the latter query, Vanity Fair writer Brett Berk polled 13 scribes to see what they'd pick for under $100,000. An interesting mix of vehicles ensues. Some of the choices stretched the imaginary budget to its max while others went all bang-for-the-buck on us, but what's most surprising about the list is that more than half the cars on it are available with a manual transmission.

Of course cars like the Porsche 911, Ford Mustang and a couple of Mercedes-Benz AMG cars make the cut, but there were also a handful of choices that caught us off guard. Jonny Lieberman of Motor Trend chose the Subaru BRZ, Autoblog weekend editor Alex Nunez would love commuting in a brown Tesla Model S Performance, and Jake Fisher of Consumer Reports picked the Hyundai Veloster... non-turbo!"

Here's the full list of what these 13 auto writers would take home if given a sub-$100,000 car:
Mercedes-Benz E63 Wagon
Audi A7
Mini John Cooper Works Convertible
Porsche 911 Carrera S
Hyundai Veloster
Porsche Cayenne S Hybrid
Mercedes-Benz CLS63 AMG
Jaguar XF Supercharged
Lotus Evora
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Tesla Model S Performance
Ford Mustang Boss 302
Land Rover Range Rover Evoque
This is not a surprise, at least to me. If I wanted to spend $100,000 on a car it wouldn't be on a BMW either. Between $40,000 and $70,000 definitely, but at $100,000 BMW isn't at it's finest.

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captainaudio If it was a defensive move by GM (and at this point in time any marketing move by GM is an offensive move) one could argue that BMW making the new 3 Series a less driver focused and more luxury oriented car (if that what they did - I have never driven an F30) could be viewed as a defensive move as well to avoid loosing sales to brands like Lexus.

No doubt it is. There aren't enough performance enthusiasts to make anything else worth their while.

FWIW I was at the BMW sponsored Grand Am races at Lime Rock thid weekend and BMW had a huge presence and were definitely pushing the performance aspects of their cars.

BMW still has a marketing budget to address the handful of performance enthusiasts left, it's no surprise that they'd use an event like this to push the performance aspects of their brand.

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This is not a surprise, at least to me. If I wanted to spend $100,000 on a car it wouldn't be on a BMW either. Between $40,000 and $70,000 definitely, but at $100,000 BMW isn't at it's finest.

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Umm most of those cars fall between $40k-$70k. Several below.
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This is not a surprise, at least to me. If I wanted to spend $100,000 on a car it wouldn't be on a BMW either. Between $40,000 and $70,000 definitely, but at $100,000 BMW isn't at it's finest.

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I think that the models that BMW makes that sell for around $100,000 are very competitive. The 7 is certainly one of the best in its segment and the 6, particularly the latest model is also very competitive in its segment as Is the M5.

BMW does not make a car that competes with the Porsche 911 which is probably the most expensive car on the list.
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I priced out a 911s a month ago and it came to 135,000. i dont know anyone that gets a 911s with no options.
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I think that the models that BMW makes that sell for around $100,000 are very competitive. The 7 is certainly one of the best in its segment and the 6, particularly the latest model is also very competitive in its segment as is the M5.
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This is not a surprise, at least to me. If I wanted to spend $100,000 on a car it wouldn't be on a BMW either. Between $40,000 and $70,000 definitely, but at $100,000 BMW isn't at it's finest.

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I think that the models that BMW makes that sell for around $100,000 are very competitive. The 7 is certainly one of the best in its segment and the 6, particularly the latest model is also very competitive in its segment as Is the M5.

BMW does not make a car that competes with the Porsche 911 which is probably the most expensive car on the list.
The question the writer asked was "what car would YOU buy if you had $100,000". He didn't ask who makes the best cars. It was a subjective question answered by a bunch of enthusiasts with their manual transmission fetishes. Not real world.

For me, I have no need or interest in something as big as a 7, the 6 won't fit my family, and the M5 is uncomfortable and impractical. Since I can afford any car I want I am driving the car I want which is a $50,000 nicely optioned 3 Series. Up near $100,000, BMW doesn't make a car that I'd want if you gave it to me for free. I'd take an F30 and an F33 if that counts, those two add up to $100,000.

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The question the writer asked was "what car would YOU buy if you had $100,000". He didn't ask who makes the best cars. It was a subjective question answered by a bunch of enthusiasts with their manual transmission fetishes. Not real world.

For me, I have no need or interest in something as big as a 7, the 6 won't fit my family, and the M5 is uncomfortable and impractical. Since I can afford any car I want I am driving the car I want which is a $50,000 nicely optioned 3 Series. Up near $100,000, BMW doesn't make a car that I'd want if you gave it to me for free. I'd take an F30 and an F33 if that counts, those two add up to $100,000.

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As you've said yourself, you can afford any car your successful trophy wife's salary can pay for.

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......at $100,000 BMW isn't at it's [sic] finest.

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The question the writer asked was "what car would YOU buy if you had $100,000". He didn't ask who makes the best cars. It was a subjective question answered by a bunch of enthusiasts with their manual transmission fetishes. Not real world.

For me, I have no need or interest in something as big as a 7, the 6 won't fit my family, and the M5 is uncomfortable and impractical. Since I can afford any car I want I am driving the car I want which is a $50,000 nicely optioned 3 Series. Up near $100,000, BMW doesn't make a car that I'd want if you gave it to me for free. I'd take an F30 and an F33 if that counts, those two add up to $100,000.

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I was planning in giving you my 750iLx at the Fall Foliage Run since Ms. Audio wants an Aston Martin Rapide.

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No that I know you won't take it I'll have to find someone else.

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As you've said yourself, you can afford any car your successful trophy wife's salary can pay for.

This is what you said. Say what you mean and mean what you say.
No, this is what I said:

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This is not a surprise, at least to me. If I wanted to spend $100,000 on a car it wouldn't be on a BMW either. Between $40,000 and $70,000 definitely, but at $100,000 BMW isn't at it's finest.

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For ME, I'm not spending $100,000 on a BMW product because I find them neither overly luxurious or overly sporty. I'll take a Porsche, thank you.

As for my wife, mind your ******* business.

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I was planning in giving you my 750iLx at the Fall Foliage Run since Ms. Audio wants an Aston Martin Rapide.

No that I know you won't take it I'll have to find someone else.

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Thank you for your generous gift. I've changed my mind, decided to give the 750iLx a try.

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That may be true, but what car would you buy if you had $100,000 to spend?
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The question the writer asked was "what car would YOU buy if you had $100,000". He didn't ask who makes the best cars. It was a subjective question answered by a bunch of enthusiasts with their manual transmission fetishes. Not real world.

For me, I have no need or interest in something as big as a 7, the 6 won't fit my family, and the M5 is uncomfortable and impractical. Since I can afford any car I want I am driving the car I want which is a $50,000 nicely optioned 3 Series. Up near $100,000, BMW doesn't make a car that I'd want if you gave it to me for free. I'd take an F30 and an F33 if that counts, those two add up to $100,000.

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I actually think this is a decent poll since these writers contemplate cars everyday. The Subaru vote came from a true car enthusiast, and devoid of any narcissism.
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I priced out a 911s a month ago and it came to 135,000. i dont know anyone that gets a 911s with no options.
Automobile magazine writers can probably get very good deals on cars.
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He would probably take and then trade it in for a F33 lol
If I had the garage space to fit it, I'd have the following three cars:

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One vintage, one everyday, one weekend fun. Hair over $100,000, but who's counting?

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As for my wife, mind your ******* business.
You cannot continually trumpet the claimed accomplishments of your alleged wife and simultaneously complain when someone comments.

I suspect most would be delighted if you left your "wife," and similar irrelevancies, out of your posts. Until this happens (I'm not holding my breath), learn to deal with the fallout - only you are responsible.
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You cannot continually trumpet the claimed accomplishments of your alleged wife and simultaneously complain when someone comments.

I suspect most would be delighted if you left your "wife," and similar irrelevancies, out of your posts. Until this happens (I'm not holding my breath), learn to deal with the fallout - only you are responsible.
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You cannot continually trumpet the claimed accomplishments of your alleged wife and simultaneously complain when someone comments.

I suspect most would be delighted if you left your "wife," and similar irrelevancies, out of your posts. Until this happens (I'm not holding my breath), learn to deal with the fallout - only you are responsible.
I've got no issue with that from the likes of you and the rest of F30 Nation.

The poster in question has an ulterior motive and doesn't have the best interests of BMW and F30 drivers in mind, different story.

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One vintage, one everyday, one weekend fun. Hair over $100,000, but who's counting?

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