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BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 09-28-2012, 09:48 PM
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The ultimate driving nightmare

I have been the most patient BMW owner in history and now I have had it. My 08 535I has been to the dealer for the 11th time for the lovely engine malfunction light. They have just about if not gave me a new engine with everything they have replaced or allegedly replaced. It was so bad that I called BMW a year ago and told them the car is crap and that I wanted them to extedn my maintenance and warranty which they did along with 4 car payments. since then, they car has been in 4 more times. They had it for over 2 weeks and I picked it up yesterday only to return it 5 hours later after the malfunction came on and the car went into limp mode again. That was the 3rd time I have picked it up and had to return it the same day. BMW was called and I told them I want every dolloar I paid for the car back and not a prorated amount. The car is still under the original warrant for months because I don't ever get to drive it to put miles on it. I'll post an update when I hear back from them. What a F'n nightmare.

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Old 09-28-2012, 10:04 PM
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well look at bright side by the time all repair is done you will have perfect car with low miles
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:02 AM
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:48 AM
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Do you keep taking it to the same service center and getting the same results?

Can you find another dealer to look at it??

Many shops have guys that can just hook up the computer and the BMW software tells them what to do. You need a BMW tech with more experience it seems.
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Old 09-29-2012, 07:19 AM
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I am sure any lawyer would love to take up your case; as suggested by others, lemon law may be applicable for your case.
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Old 09-29-2012, 07:46 AM
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I know a guy who handles the local BMW stealership's lease returns. He is a private contractor who places them in the auction market. When I was buying my cars he helped me with background checks, price range etc. He explained that there are some cars you stay away from because they clearly have a failure history and either are "buy backs" or undeclared lemons. This means BMW N.A. is forced to take back ownership because multiple repair attempts failed to properly diagnose and cure certain problems. OP's is a fairly common occurrence and one of the leading reasons for buy backs.
BMW prefers to do the buy back as it keeps their name clean, they don't want another documented lemon on their reputation.
So my advice is to threaten lemon action, then let them take it back and help you either with a settlement or getting you into a different car.
Of course if you have patience then you could let them continue trying to fix it. I do agree with NoQuarter that most techs just follow what the computer tells them to do, and often you need better expertise to take care of the problem. Those types of mechanics are increasingly in short supply.
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I would research your dealer and near by dealers, bmwcca, regional forums are good places to look. And see if you can find out if there's a better dealer close to you. if not then litigate there asses.
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Yes, it's been to the same dealer each time. It was allegedly checkd out by a BMW master mechanic from Germany that was here and he fixed the problem only to have it break down again a few months later. Nevada does have a lemon law and I'm throwing it in BMW's face now. It should be an easy decision for them once they see the service history. I told them I want every penny I paid for the car back. None of this prorated crap. I put a lot of money down to have a $300 payment and I'm not going to be forced into a $7-800 payment because they want t o give me what they think the car is worth now and I have to get another car at todays price. I told my advisor that I'd gladly take the 2012 535I loaner thats pretty loaded with only 1500 miles as an even trade to keep my payment right where it's at. We shall see how it plays out.
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My E60 535 was also a nightmare. I have posted my problems a number of times. The solution for me was replacement of the car ( non-BMW). I hope you have better results.
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My E60 535 was also a nightmare. I have posted my problems a number of times. The solution for me was replacement of the car ( non-BMW). I hope you have better results.
...and my 535i felt great as it was dusting a Porsche Panamera S the other day.
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C'mon PlokNole - don't rub his nose in it

So you have any advice that can HELP him with his unfortunate situation???
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Did Farher have any advice? Talk about rubbing his nose in it. I was giving the counter that post.

My advice? I think the 535i's an AMAZING blend of performance, efficiency, luxury and value. I'd stick it out until they fix the issues. He has an '08. The '08s have their issues, but BMW has figured out most of them. My car is an '08 and was actually a dealer buyback. I've had a HPFP replaced, which was as annoying as having to get an oil change. That's it, and I have pushed the limits of my car for years. So, there's hope that the next shop visit may be the last. Hang in there, and enjoy!
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Did Farher have any advice? Talk about rubbing his nose in it. I was giving the counter that post.

My advice? I think the 535i's an AMAZING blend of performance, efficiency, luxury and value. I'd stick it out until they fix the issues. He has an '08. The '08s have their issues, but BMW has figured out most of them. My car is an '08 and was actually a dealer buyback. I've had a HPFP replaced, which was as annoying as having to get an oil change. That's it, and I have pushed the limits of my car for years. So, there's hope that the next shop visit may be the last. Hang in there, and enjoy!
Different people have different experiences. Personally, my 535 is a great car WHEN it works. I will have to get rid of it before the extended warranty runs out. I have a 2008 and the issue are far from worked out!
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Old 10-02-2012, 03:07 AM
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Different people have different experiences. Personally, my 535 is a great car WHEN it works. I will have to get rid of it before the extended warranty runs out. I have a 2008 and the issue are far from worked out!
Unfortunately, this is an all too often experience with the E60 535. The only real solution is to replace the car. These are not "keepers".

PolkNole seems to be compensating for something... comparing the performance of his modified 535 to a presumably stock Panamera.
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I agree most 535s are not keepers. Those owners that have not had problems are fortunate. For those the car might be a keeper. But I think once you have a 535 that has problems they sort of snowball. It is a pitty because I love driving the car.
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So would you agree with statement great car with avg/below avg (some cases) quality. Quality? Because a lot rubber and plastic parts are cheap and go bad way before 6years or 100,000 miles. I'm not sure if it's same problem in the Europe, I heard BMW is most reliable car over there. Could be it none sense or we are drive cars harder here.
I might never go buy BMW over 65,000 miles, as thanks God I have warranty, but it went some repairs, but I'm pay attention even for small oil leak.
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Unfortunately, this is an all too often experience with the E60 535. The only real solution is to replace the car. These are not "keepers".

PolkNole seems to be compensating for something... comparing the performance of his modified 535 to a presumably stock Panamera.
Lol we've had our Porsche BMW debates before. It was a Panamera S. not a Panamera, there's a difference. A Panamera would be destroyed. Why some pay a fortune for that slow ugly thing ill never understand.

My 535 is a keeper. Most owners very much agree with me. That's why the highest 5 series customer satisfaction ratings belong to 535i owners. Yes, customer satisfaction ratings are inclusive of repair issues.
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Lol we've had our Porsche BMW debates before. It was a Panamera S. not a Panamera, there's a difference. A Panamera would be destroyed. Why some pay a fortune for that slow ugly thing ill never understand.

My 535 is a keeper. Most owners very much agree with me. That's why the highest 5 series customer satisfaction ratings belong to 535i owners. Yes, customer satisfaction ratings are inclusive of repair issues.
No matter what you are saying I will agree with OP, it's nightmare when original price over 60,000 dollars, car should not have so many problems, such a fuel supply specific. BMW should never brought the product that is not ready for use. Let's think this way Boeing or Airbus would sell airplanes with fuel supply problem, I'm not sure if you want to be on that plane? Right, so I don't see customer satisfatction here. I guess these studies were done before car dies on hwy.
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So would you agree with statement great car with avg/below avg (some cases) quality. Quality? Because a lot rubber and plastic parts are cheap and go bad way before 6years or 100,000 miles. I'm not sure if it's same problem in the Europe, I heard BMW is most reliable car over there. Could be it none sense or we are drive cars harder here.
I might never go buy BMW over 65,000 miles, as thanks God I have warranty, but it went some repairs, but I'm pay attention even for small oil leak.
According to the ADAC, Porsche has been the most reliable brand in Germany for a number of years. If you do not know who the ADAC is. They are the folks that fix the cars on the Autobahn and they keep very good records and share statisitics.
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According to the ADAC, Porsche has been the most reliable brand in Germany for a number of years. If you do not know who the ADAC is. They are the folks that fix the cars on the Autobahn and they keep very good records and share statisitics.
It's might true, because Porsche drivers are less driving their cars, also there is significant less Porsches on road then BMW. So it could NOT be really count as wide user car as much as BMW or VW.
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Lol we've had our Porsche BMW debates before. It was a Panamera S. not a Panamera, there's a difference. A Panamera would be destroyed. Why some pay a fortune for that slow ugly thing ill never understand.

My 535 is a keeper. Most owners very much agree with me. That's why the highest 5 series customer satisfaction ratings belong to 535i owners. Yes, customer satisfaction ratings are inclusive of repair issues.
Again, you need to compare apples to apples... your tuner vs a stock PanameraS?

By the way, even BMW know that the 5 series does not sell well enough to keep an individual platform. That's why it now shares a platform with the 7 series now. It has become so bloated it's an also-ran vs. the newA6.

If BMW were to produce a reliable 5 series that weighs 500 lbs less and can carry a spare tire, I would consider one again. Too bad, as the recent 5 is a better looking car than the E60 I had. No worry, I am enjoying my 2008 Porsche Carrera S. It is very reliable and and much higher performing than my 535 ( but that would would be comparing apples and oranges). It also has real performance tires rather than runflats and is pure stock.
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Again, you need to compare apples to apples... your tuner vs a stock PanameraS?

By the way, even BMW know that the 5 series does not sell well enough to keep an individual platform. That's why it now shares a platform with the 7 series now. It has become so bloated it's an also-ran vs. the newA6.

If BMW were to produce a reliable 5 series that weighs 500 lbs less and can carry a spare tire, I would consider one again. Too bad, as the recent 5 is a better looking car than the E60 I had. No worry, I am enjoying my 2008 Porsche Carrera S. It is very reliable and and much higher performing than my 535 ( but that would would be comparing apples and oranges). It also has real performance tires rather than runflats and is pure stock.
Porsche 911 S is high end M3 territories as price, performance, and sedan vs couple. The 911 S is very expensive car for what you get really. I mean yes it's fun car but for everyday driving I doubt about.
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Porsche 911 S is high end M3 territories as price, performance, and sedan vs couple. The 911 S is very expensive car for what you get really. I mean yes it's fun car but for everyday driving I doubt about.
True, the 911's can get expensive but they deliver in performance right out of the box. The M3 is higher performing than the normal 3 series but to compete effectively with the 911 in endurance racing ( eg LeMans series), the BMW has gotten so many concessions for the M3 such as putting the engine in the front of the passenger compartment, having the driver sit almost in the back seat and putting the transmission in the rear of the car. Even BMW knows their cars are not competitive unless highly, highly modified.
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True, the 911's can get expensive but they deliver in performance right out of the box. The M3 is higher performing than the normal 3 series but to compete effectively with the 911 in endurance racing ( eg LeMans series), the BMW has gotten so many concessions for the M3 such as putting the engine in the front of the passenger compartment, having the driver sit almost in the back seat and putting the transmission in the rear of the car. Even BMW knows their cars are not competitive unless highly, highly modified.
well I guess M3 68,000 and 911 S is 120,000, and very similar performance for normal driving (4.5 vs 4.3 sec 0-60), but not LeMans series. But you are getting a car compare to really two sitter. Just my two cents.
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