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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 07-31-2014, 07:31 AM
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Anyone also a Volvo enthusiast?

I've seen the occasional comment here from people also active in Volvo forums. My brother just bought an XC90. He's found some forums but looking for better.

Can anyone suggest a Volvo forum or two similar in tone and expertise to the B-fest and B-forum E39 sites? Perfect would be one with XC90 clones of CN-90, Fudman, JimLev, Bluebee, etc., etc. (way too many to name, my regrets to those omitted)

Any Volvo dealer based parts sites you have found with good service & prices? Similar to Husker or getBMWparts for the OEM items not carried by sites such as AutoHausAZ, eEuroparts, etc. (which carry Volvo in addition to BMW & I've already given him)

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Old 07-31-2014, 08:43 AM
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I am.

I also own a 1998 S70 GLT and 2005 XC90 2.5T.
I posted a whole bunch DIYs in the XC90 forums (matthews volvo, volvoforums dot com, swedespeed etc.)...

Volvo parts:
www.thevpstore.com (Volvo dealer in Kansas City)

I don't know why but the BMW enthusiasts tend to be crazy about their cars, mods etc.
Maybe the BMW has that "expensive logo" and "expensive perception".
Volvo as brand is a bit below BMW in terms of name recognition, expensiveness etc.
The Volvo crowd tend to be "cheaper" than the BMW people: you don't see expensive mod and fix this fix that in the Volvo crowd lol...

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Old 07-31-2014, 09:10 AM
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I grew up thinking they were the ugliest cars ever made and never could understand how someone could be seen in one let alone own one.

Todays models dont seem as bad as the 80's and older ones were to me. But again thats personal feelings on the matter and of course doesnt mean anyone else has to share my opinions on them.

I do remember the ads for them seemed to concentrate on the safety aspects heavily and most I knew that had one were flat crazy about them.
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Old 07-31-2014, 09:26 AM
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Just went and looked at the history of volvo cars and it seems they made some decent looking cars. Apparently alabama didnt receive any of those

99% of what we had running around were these :



Except they were WAY uglier than that. The ones we had around here had a strange looking front end which I cant find any on the net that look as bad as what we had running around. The one I linked the pic to actually looks better than whatever was the norm here then.
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Old 07-31-2014, 10:05 AM
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That one is a near classic (my brother had one). Here in NE, we have many original 70s versions still running around. Nearly all have 300K+ on the clock. Volvo defined basic, safe, reliable transportation.
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Old 07-31-2014, 11:54 AM
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I am.

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Thanks very much for the suggestions.

I used to be a Volvo nut in the late '70s through the '80s: a "breathed-on" '72 242 and then a stock 264. I would have given my eye teeth for a nice 2002tii, but couldn't afford a decent one being newly graduated. I really did like the Volvo's. The 242 was a bit of a sleeper, it surprised more than a few. Both were comfortable, safe, reliable & great in snow country going skiing.

Later I joined a consulting company doing a fair bit of work in automotive. All the Big 3 and some Tier One suppliers banned offshore brands from their parking lots, except for the ones a half hour walk to the front gates! After I left that line I finally got to try BMW.
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Old 07-31-2014, 12:00 PM
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I grew up thinking they were the ugliest cars ever made
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Well they weren't pretty, but I can think of some uglier ones!

As mentioned above, I had a couple of those Volvo's. They were great cars for me. I tried to compensate for the car's plain looks by filling the passenger seat with offsetting beauty.

EDIT: besides, haven't you ever heard of "inner beauty"? My cars had great personalities!!
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Old 07-31-2014, 12:51 PM
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I would love to own a P1800 Wagon. There is a green one in beautiful condition that I see out and about here in Missoula occasionally and I lust after it.
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Old 07-31-2014, 06:06 PM
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I had a V70 for my winter beater, my wife has an S60 that we bought new.
I do have a bunch of Volvo forums that I can reference but we are on vacation and those links are on my home computer.
I'll be home on Monday, if I forget please PM me and I'll hook you up.
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Old 07-31-2014, 06:10 PM
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I like Volvos since my father had one of those brick wagons 245 back in 91. I buy Volvos for my wife because she drives our son around and the safety of Volvos gives me a piece of mind. I had a 2004 XC70 2.5T which I traded in for 13 XC70 T6 with factory Polestar upgrade. 350hp!) I think that wagon is faster than my 540 6spd...
For forums, I like sweedspeed. Talking about enthusiasts, there are a lot of guys who are crazy about their P2 S60R and V70R.


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Old 07-31-2014, 06:16 PM
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I've seen the occasional comment here from people also active in Volvo forums. My brother just bought an XC90. He's found some forums but looking for better.

Can anyone suggest a Volvo forum or two similar in tone and expertise to the B-fest and B-forum E39 sites? Perfect would be one with XC90 clones of CN-90, Fudman, JimLev, Bluebee, etc., etc. (way too many to name, my regrets to those omitted)

Any Volvo dealer based parts sites you have found with good service & prices? Similar to Husker or getBMWparts for the OEM items not carried by sites such as AutoHausAZ, eEuroparts, etc. (which carry Volvo in addition to BMW & I've already given him)

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this site is helpful. links to part sources there too
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Old 07-31-2014, 07:51 PM
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That one is a near classic (my brother had one). Here in NE, we have many original 70s versions still running around. Nearly all have 300K+ on the clock. Volvo defined basic, safe, reliable transportation.
Yeah, Volvo's of that era were practically bulletproof. I did say my two had attractions other than beauty.
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Oddly I really want a Volvo.. I want the S 60 R I think it looks just about as mean as an E39 M5 but its probably 4 times as reliable. But yeah if I were a swedeish mobster it would be the S60 all the way.
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Old 07-31-2014, 08:21 PM
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We were always fans of the other Swedish brand Saab (multiple 900 turbos with well over 200,000 miles) but we did have one of these wagons for a bunch of years. Great cars, very reliable and safe.

Volvo also offers a pretty nice ED program with some great perks.


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We were always fans of the other Swedish brand Saab (multiple 900 turbos with well over 200,000 miles) but we did have one of these wagons for a bunch of years. Great cars, very reliable and safe.

Volvo also offers a pretty nice ED program with some great perks.


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Oddly I really want a Volvo.. I want the S 60 R I think it looks just about as mean as an E39 M5 but its probably 4 times as reliable. But yeah if I were a swedeish mobster it would be the S60 all the way.

Haldex transfer case is the only problem.. And they brake for sure. Motor mounts an issue but TC is 3k to replace... I changed two on my P2 XC70. Bought from EBay but still with labour is a 1k. Bearings are also a common issue.. So stick with e39)) Volvos are fun to modify though) They have had turbo engines for a long time. But then suspension is too soft so big bucks altogether if you visit IPD for upgrades) I've spent enough money on modification of my cars, the advice is - buy a car that may be used but suits you well and that way you don't waste your money.


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Drove the early 850T5, really got into it and deceptively quick for a big heavy car, I would love to put either that or an 850R in my garage, finding a decent one like my E39 is the problem. They are out there but come with inter-galactic mileage.
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I got into Volvos a few months ago, that's why I have been MIA on this board(which seemed to turn to crap lately)

I love pre 1998 Volvos when they were still Volvos and not Fords. I bought a 92 240 and recently a 77 242. The great thing about the 200/700/900 series are they are rear wheel drive, EASY as crap to work on, parts are pretty abundant and cheap, they last forever(those red block engines are stout), they are simple cars - more of an engineers car but can be modded to handle great and the engine choices are limitless. The engine bays are gigantic. Many have swapped V8s in them along with 8V and 16V swaps etc. I have seen pictures of 240s with S50 and S38 swaps in them.

The 77 I have uses k-jet fuel injection and will remain stock. The 92 I sold and am picking up a 79 242 with a B230FT swap for damn cheap. I love boxy cars so the early RWD cars work for me. Simple cars with great potential that can be had for cheap and modded for cheap as well. Total spent buying brand new plugs,cap rotor, shocks, various maintenance bits and gaskets and filters etc was $200. And I mean I bought a lot of stuff too which I installed in my driveway.
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Old 08-01-2014, 02:23 AM
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Volvos are just boxes on wheels to get from a to b. Good car for the wife to get kids safely to school. Not a car for a car enthusiast. The new chinese owner is trying to shift the image to sporty car.
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Old 08-01-2014, 08:31 AM
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I grew up thinking they were the ugliest cars ever made and never could understand how someone could be seen in one let alone own one.

Todays models dont seem as bad as the 80's and older ones were to me. But again thats personal feelings on the matter and of course doesnt mean anyone else has to share my opinions on them.

I do remember the ads for them seemed to concentrate on the safety aspects heavily and most I knew that had one were flat crazy about them.
Well, I think the word 'Enthusiast' and Volvo are a bit difficult to make work in the same sentence. But: I leased an S70 Volvo as my business car about 10 years ago and that car aside from driving nicely (smooth, etc.) had THE most comfortable seats in it of almost any car I've ever sat in - perhaps the BMW E39 Comfort Seats match that Volvo, maybe. I could sit and drive the thing all day long and no fatigue on the body. And they're solid cars too.....off topic a bit but a used Volvo might be a good choice for young Nate in Orange County who's off to college - not a bad car to be in if one of the 'Housewives of Orange County' happen to smack into you as they're trolling the mall parking lot in their Escalade while putting on their makup or chatting it up on the mobile phone IMHO, Women should not be allowed to drive tanks on public roads, period, end of story.
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Old 08-01-2014, 08:38 AM
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Volvos are just boxes on wheels to get from a to b. Good car for the wife to get kids safely to school. Not a car for a car enthusiast...
Not true at all.
Volvo has been making fine cars for years, from the 1800 series to 240 (I used to have a 1991 240 5sp MT), 740, 940, 850, S70, V70, XC90 etc.

The "brick" status may be true for 1970s, 1980s, but Volvo has changed the design in the 1990s to be non-brick.

Engine and electronics setup is less trouble-some than BMW.

However, the BMW drives better.

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Funny, I just bought a 2006 Volvo XC70 for the winter and for going to the cabin and hockey tournaments. The thing drives great and to me really does not feel to much different when driving in normal traffic than my 530i. I am so far impressed with it.
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Old 08-01-2014, 12:36 PM
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Just keep up with the maintenance and you will love the XC90, a fine car.
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Old 08-01-2014, 01:19 PM
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86 modle 240 lasted me 300k miles,,sold to and Uncle who still has it and has 500k miles on it now,,90 model 740 for the wife,,she sold it a few years later then a 94 model 740 turbo wagon,,300 k on that one ,,all bought new and the last one 98 model 960 wagon--one of the best cars I ever owned--had to replace the timeing belt every 60 k miles--It lasted until my Son with his new driving license started doing burn outs with it--you could turn it on a dime and had plenty of power--Stoped buying Volvo's when they went front wheel drive ,with GM trannies,,,2003--bought my 525i New and now has 282500 miles on her ,,going strong.

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