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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 07-17-2014, 09:54 AM
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Okay, first off I got a new Pioneer touchscreen radio, dash kit, wire harness, and a amp installation kit. I wanted to get rid of the original face/dash and subs/ amp, but due to the DSP and built in amp I can't! So is there ANY way that I can hook up my new stuff or no? (1999 BMW 528i)
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Old 07-17-2014, 10:16 AM
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Search Best E39 Links at the top of the page. This is not a trivial issue.
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Old 07-17-2014, 02:13 PM
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Hi,

You can go a couple routes

1. Install the Pioneer unit, then purchase and use a GAS dedicated E39 specific crossover and 5 channel amplifier which then allows you to keep the existing DSP speakers and have the Pioneer unit play through them (you can junk the oem DSP amplifier)You're looking at around an extra $500 in a special package deal from here ; http://www.jandtdistributing.com/col...ni-amp-package

2. Install your own choice amplifier and then also choose your own speakers and install them. You'd junk the oem DSP amp and speakers.

For me, the best sound quality is achieved with option 2 as you have choice of many speakers capable of some fantastic performance. If you aren't concerned too much with SQ, then the first option allows you to retain the oem dsp speakers.

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Old 07-18-2014, 01:08 PM
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I heard about the first suggestion and highly thinking about it. How much would you think I would be paying for your 2nd suggestion?
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Old 07-18-2014, 01:34 PM
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I went with option 2 and couldnt be happier. I am using a Soundstream Rubicon 4.600 amp to run my doors and rear. I have a Soundstream Rubicon 1.1600 to run 2 R1.124s running 2 ohms each for ~1 ohm impedance at the amp. I also have a 3 way crossover in the trunk.
For my front, I have the following
5.25 Focal Midbass drivers
CDT ES-02 Mid tweeters to replace the factory 2 inch mids
Tweeters up high are disconnected.
Without my head unit, I have just about 1100 total without wiring.
Also, I used the factory wiring to the doors to save me some time. Was it the right choice? no. The wire is made for about 40 watts total as it is very small gauge. I need to run strands of 14 gauge at minimum to each speaker because of the output of the amp.
In total, I have 100x2 going to each mid
75x4 to each midbass (2 ohms per channel, 2 channels bridged for midbass)
Amp is 1600 RMS to 2 subs. 800 each RMS. They are rated at 850 RMS each in a ported enclosure of 2 cubic ft and tuned to 35hz. They are crisp, sharp and reproduce nice bass notes but will hit hard when I want to push hard on them.
Also, I have a bass knob installed so I can turn it way down when the kids are in the car.
Other than serious need of sound deadening in the trunk, It is barely audible outside the car. Other than the double din DVD player in the dash, it looks completely stock.
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Old 07-22-2014, 05:47 PM
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I noticed people using sound stream amps to resolve this problem why is that? Can't I use another amp?
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You can use any amp you choose. It's all about preference
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Old 07-31-2014, 11:13 PM
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I want to keep every speaker but I don't know anything about wiring, electronics, etc. If you can recommend, what type of wiring would I need for each. And would I need another amp for some subs?
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Hi

If you wish to keep every oem speaker and run a subwoofer or a pair, then you need the GAS crossover - please re-read my response number 3. It sounds as though you may need to also have an experienced and reputable installer get everything fitted and I'd highly suggest that route if you feel your DIY skills aren't up to doing this.

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Old 08-01-2014, 09:39 PM
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If I didn't have all speakers would it sound bad? Like just the 2 front and 2 back?
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Old 08-02-2014, 09:10 AM
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Hi,

The DSP setup sends the low frequencies to the 'low' driver, the mid range frequencies to the 'midrange' driver and the highs to the 'tweeter' If you remove any of them, the sound will be much worse.

Audio upgrades and the routes you could go from this point forward have been discussed thousands of times previously, so I suggest you evaluate what you like to achieve and then choose products etc to help you get there. My preference is as I mention in response number 3 for instance as it provides the best value for money Vs audio performance gained. You may prefer a different route !

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well said Dennis

mixing the OEM setup with an additional amp/sub setup isn't difficult, but knowing how to set it up takes a trained and insured person if your skills aren't polished for the work.
If something goes wrong, you could literally fry your battery, factory amp or worse yet, start a fire and burn the car to the ground.
That is worst case, but I've seen it happen.
my very first install I did for myself because I didn't want to pay someone 150.00 to hook it up.
I used 14ga power wire, 16ga ground and pushed 1800 watts through it.
First night out, I had a bass track playing and I saw smoke, then fire. I was able to salvage everything, but the carpet in the car had to be removed.
it was a horrible smell which never went away. a reminder to the realization of how little I really knew then.
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