Car and Driver 2013 BMW 328 vs 2013 Cadillac ATS 2.0T

Originally Posted by Saintor

Why don't you answer the question? Truth hurts, doesnt' it?

Because his N20 had some defects and he got some credit from BMW so now he can get an N55 for the same money.

Not everyone is that lucky

Originally Posted by Saintor

Not really. I am just bringing a truthful view on the subject and this doesn't please you. That's all.

Again, why did you/want to get rid of that N20 if you were *SO PLEASED* with it?

Be honest for a change.

I believe BMW lemoned his N20 due to steering vibration. Anyway, the new 1.5L 3 cylinders will make its way here soon.

If you are hating 4 banger now, I'm scare to hear what you will be saying about the 3 cylinders.

Originally Posted by justinnum1

This place is pretty good for the most part, more trolls on this site than the other forum tho which is unfortunate.

When you have trolls that don't own an F30 and have no intention to purchase one but they feel the need to come here and post things like(which is pretty much all this guy has to say on these message boards)



Bunch of really knowledgeable posters here, what car do you currently own?

Currently, I'm driving my dad' Ford Fusion. I'm 20 and working on my biology degree, so I don't expect to be buying anything anytime soon. But we did have a E90 before the Fusion...it was great.

Regarding the 3 cylinder, I'm keeping an open mind. I was in a BMW test drive event yesterday and the F30 328xi and 335xi just blew me away. Going into the event, I was skeptical about the F30. Electric steering and AWD and all that stuff...but once I got into the cars, it simply reignited my passion for BMW with a flame thrower. BMW can pull off some amazing stuff. I don't think the 3 cylinder engine will be an exeption.

Originally Posted by Clarissa

Currently, I'm driving my dad' Ford Fusion. I'm 20 and working on my biology degree, so I don't expect to be buying anything anytime soon. But we did have a E90 before the Fusion...it was great.

Regarding the 3 cylinder, I'm keeping an open mind. I was in a BMW test drive event yesterday and the F30 328xi and 335xi just blew me away. Going into the event, I was skeptical about the F30. Electric steering and AWD and all that stuff...but once I got into the cars, it simply reignited my passion for BMW with a flame thrower. BMW can pull off some amazing stuff. I don't think the 3 cylinder engine will be an exeption.

Yea, both the N20(4 cylinder) and N55(6 cylinder) are amazing engines.

Originally Posted by justinnum1

Yea, both the N20(4 cylinder) and N55(6 cylinder) are amazing engines.

Now finally a troll Justin will not put on ignore. He is not against troll, as long as the troll agrees with him

Originally Posted by dtc100

Now finally a troll Justin will not put on ignore. He is not against troll, as long as the troll agrees with him

lol at you calling the new user with 4 posts a troll. Stay classy.

Originally Posted by justinnum1

lol at you calling the new user with 4 posts a troll. Stay classy.

Just trying to catch up.

Are you really thinking you are here to save BMW from all the trolls?

Originally Posted by dtc100

Just trying to catch up.

Are you really thinking you are here to save BMW from all the trolls?

Pretty sure you just called the new user a troll try and be classy to new users.

Luckily there are little to no trolls on the other forum, no where near as bad as it is here.

Originally Posted by Clarissa

I don't have a car and don't see myself getting one anytime soon. But i'm here because it's a hobby. Criticizing a car shouldn't be a privilege for car owners....

As long as you do not criticize, because otherwise you will be another one of Justin's trolls. Believe me, you don't want to be his troll.

Originally Posted by dtc100

As long as you do not criticize, you'd be fine with Justin and have a great future here. Welcome!

I knew you had a difficult time grasping things, but i didn't know it was this bad.

If they had a "i don't plan on getting an F30 but i want to talk about why it's a bad car" section on this forum, you would by far have the highest post count.

Originally Posted by justinnum1

I knew you had a difficult time grasping things...

You need to know the definition before you start to throw it around like confetti. Someone who has difficult time grasping things, by definition, cannot be a troll.

Originally Posted by dtc100

You need to know the definition before you start to throw it around like confetti. Someone who has difficult time grasping things, by definition, cannot be a troll.

Your not a troll. You hate the F30 which is pretty obvious, but once in a while(like 1 our of every 10 of your nonsense posts) you post something thats interesting. Unlike saintor who only comes to the f30 forums to trash the N20(he posts 100% nonsense).

I tried to make that simple for you.

I visit the F30 forum every once in a while to see if there's any F30 diesel news and think it's hilarious that hates the N20 too. He's still the only uh... well lets just call him a "member" that's on my ignore list.

The N20 is strong enough for the heavier 528, so I'm not sure what the big deal about it being in the 328.

Originally Posted by justinnum1

Your not a troll. You hate the F30 which is pretty obvious, but once in a while(like 1 our of every 10 of your nonsense posts) you post something thats interesting. Unlike saintor who only comes to the f30 forums to trash the N20(he posts 100% nonsense).

I tried to make that simple for you.

Well thank you very much, unfortunately I cannot say I have found one of your posts useful or interesting. The only thing you know is to call others troll. There is rarely anything you post offers any useful information.

You need to make it simpler for me, how about find a new label just for me, so I can understand who I really am?

Originally Posted by dtc100

Well thank you very much, unfortunately I cannot say I have found one of your posts useful or interesting. The only thing you know is to call others troll. There is rarely anything you post offers any useful information.

You need to make it simpler for me, how about find a new label just for me, so I can understand who I really am?

Someone who wastes so much time in the F30 forum and has no plan of purchasing... i can only think of one.

Originally Posted by justinnum1

Someone who wastes so much time in the F30 forum and has no plan of purchasing... i can only think of one.

You need something better, this forty year old virgin has way more interesting life than you.

Originally Posted by Saintor

And that is the reason why C&D got better mpg figures for a 2006 330i than a 2012+ 328i, which was derated by EPA. The N20 just sucks and doesn't deserve to be in any BMW. I don't care about dyno test; 5-60 is the same/even better on the 330i.

The EPA changed the way it calculates MPG back in 2008 so you can't use 2006 EPA figures for direct comparison. The "new" way of estimating fuel economy lowered the MPG estimates for most vehicles. You're comparing apples to oranges.

Originally Posted by jlukja

The EPA changed the way it calculates MPG back in 2008 so you can't use 2006 EPA figures for direct comparison. The "new" way of estimating fuel economy lowered the MPG estimates for most vehicles. You're comparing apples to oranges.

I did not refer to any EPA rating, just real world figures over a long run. So that is not an apples to oranges situation.

Originally Posted by justinnum1

Someone who wastes so much time in the F30 forum and has no plan of purchasing... i can only think of one.

Where did you get the information that I have no plan to buy a F30? This is totally wrong. You are confused easily. I probably said that I would not get a 328i. However I am considering a 335i when I'll be done with my actual car. Don't worry, I can afford it.

Are you the moron who did put the childish tags to this thread? Be a man!

Originally Posted by Saintor

Where did you get the information that I have no plan to buy a F30? This is totally wrong. You are confused easily. I probably said that I would not get a 328i. However I am considering a 335i when I'll be done with my actual car. Don't worry, I can afford it.

Are you the moron who did put the childish tags to this thread? Be a man!

It's just part of the name calling habit, it should be obvious if you have read the posts.

But since you are very big on straight line accelerations, might want to wait and see if BMW offers a performance kit for the N55.

The ATS has such a well tuned chassis for dancing around corners and on the twisties. But the 2.0T with manual really screwed up on the engine refinement and gearing.

Originally Posted by dtc100

It's just part of the name calling habit, it should be obvious if you have read the posts.

But since you are very big on straight line accelerations, might want to wait and see if BMW offers a performance kit for the N55.

The ATS has such a well tuned chassis for dancing around corners and on the twisties. But the 2.0T with manual really screwed up on the engine refinement and gearing.

BMW will offer a PPK on the N55, it's coming this winter.

Originally Posted by dtc100

It's just part of the name calling habit, it should be obvious if you have read the posts.

Yeah... that's part of his hissy fits. He needs to control his girlie emotions better.

10 years from now, which one would you rather be driving?

Originally Posted by 2k11e90

10 years from now, which one would you rather be driving?

How many people keep high end cars 10 years these days?

We do. There are a lot of old BMWs here in CA. But here's my point...today in 2012, I would rather be driving a 2002 BMW than a 2002 Caddy...any day!