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E36 (1991 - 1999)
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Old 10-07-2012, 12:47 AM
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^^^ I cant remember which e36 I had at the time, but ASC would often leave me stranded in the weirdest places in winter. Your explanation makes sense, and I drove w/o ASC everywhere because of it.
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Old 10-07-2012, 09:12 AM
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I've lived in MN and we get a bit of snow here too. My father and I had no troubles with snow in our 328i.
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Old 10-07-2012, 09:36 AM
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I run 17" performence tires in summer and 15" General Artic snow tires in winter. Actually the winter tires give a significantly smoother ride and give up very little cornering performence. The General tires also are great in the snow and ice. Tire Rack will send you a set mounted on steel rims for a great price. Don't leave home without winter tires !
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Old 10-07-2012, 10:49 AM
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^Either you have the worlds most terrible 17 inch "performance" tires, or you have found snow tires with magical properties. What I'm getting at is that driving on snow tires is like riding on marshmallows. They're definitely much smoother than regular tires, but that's because you're riding on huge blocks of sliced rubber. They have precisely zero responsiveness. Someone, I forget who, did a comparison test of all different kinds of tires, including what happens when you use dedicated snow tires on dry pavement. The braking and cornering tests with the snow tires were hilariously bad.

But regardless, snow tires are the bomb when there is white stuff on the ground, no doubt.
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:37 AM
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A Swedish army knife does many things none of which it does well.
All seasons are notttt winter tires ever. Ive got Goodyear eagle gtv's (ultra performance all seasons) would never trust them in the winter even though they have tread like a monster truck BUT they lack the aggressive tread that you can only get with winter tires.
I'm not telling him to use all seasons I'm just saying if you already have all seasons on your car you will be just fine. Especially if you are on a budget.
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:46 AM
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Tire rack has a comparison of snow tires to all seasons..... watch it and you wont even look at all seasons.


all seasons do 50% summer driving 50% winter driving.

Do you want to drive around on 50% of what you could be driving on when its the only thing keeping you mounted to the ground?
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:52 AM
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get some steelies and winter tires
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:10 AM
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I read everything and still can't figure out what this "snow" is that you guys talk about. Is it like the sun?
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:28 AM
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Old 10-17-2012, 10:50 AM
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You're in Michigan.. You'll be fine.
Just keep the lead out of your foot..
Follow the good advice of your fellow enthusiasts on here..
Buy a set of winter tires.




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get some steelies and winter tires
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I read everything and still can't figure out what this "snow" is that you guys talk about. Is it like the sun?
Its that white stuff that falls from the sky during christmas time..
.. about a hour and fifteen minutes UP the hill from you in sacto, on the 80.

You should go check it out sometime..

Bring your steelies and wh'inter tires too.



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Old 10-17-2012, 11:24 AM
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Im getting winter tires even though it hardly snows up here in the PNW. Winter tires are for grip in winter temperatures as much as they are for driving in snow.

Also the e36 owner's manual says to turn of asc when driving in snow btw.
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:56 AM
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Winter tires are for grip in winter temperatures as much as they are for driving in snow.
I'd probably argue against that. Dedicated snow tires are not very good on anything other than snow/ice. Even in low temps, a dedicated snow tire is going to have an absurdly long stopping distance and terrible handling on dry pavement. If you do not ever plan to have your car in actual snow, all season tires during the winter are best, IMO. I always get a good laugh at many of the people here in cars with dedicated snow tires. Usually it's someone over the age of 65 driving a Camry who probably never goes beyond a 10 mile radius of their home, so the most they'll ever see is the typical light Seattle drizzle. I'm assuming all those AARP members aren't driving up into the mountains for backcountry snowboarding on the weekends...

At any rate, I had dedicated winter tires on my E36 for a winter here in Seattle (close to you), and although they're safe enough for getting around, etc., they're also completely unnecessary and even counterproductive unless you intend to use them in snow. Of course, it only snows a tiny bit about once per year here in Seattle, and my E36 stays parked on those days anyway, so your surroundings and driving habits may be different from mine. I sold my winter setup after using them for a few months and realizing they were totally unnecessary in this neck of the woods. That said, I subsequently bought a Subaru for the mountains...
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:07 PM
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okay then. winter tires have a softer compound so have a better grip at temperatures below 5-8 degrees Celsius. all seasons get hard at these temps and driver worse and grip worse. at temperatures near zero i'd much rather have dedicated winter tires.
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:09 PM
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What about the temperature specific rubber compounds? No studless passenger vehicle tire will perform well in a foot of snow or an icy road. I thought winter tires were for cold temps and light snow.
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:38 PM
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Dedicated winter tires do of course have a very soft rubber compound which remains pliant in freezing temperatures, but that is to allow the gigantic tread blocks with all the little cuts in them to flex and grab into snow & ice. In the absence of snow or ice, even in freezing temps, the advantages of having a soft rubber compound are outweighed by a tread pattern which is not designed for dry (albeit cold) pavement. Dedicated snow tires also do not perform as well as all seasons in rain.
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Old 10-17-2012, 04:59 PM
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I run all seasons, and I'm fine. Performance is fine.

You'll be fine with all seasons, if it's for DDing, which I assume you are doing.

It snows as much here in Minnesota as it does in Michigan.
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Old 10-18-2012, 06:52 AM
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snow tires is teh jesus lets leave it at that ze you know it toooo haha there great in the winter and if you can rock studs on our 50/50 weight cars your driving a sherman
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When all season steel belted radials became common hardly anyone bothered with snow tires anymore. The all season tires worked pretty well, as in I never got stuck when I lived in northern Illinois and Wisconsin. Just about everyone had rearwheel drive cars too.
Learn how to drive in the snow and watch out for all the jackassses who don't know how.
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Old 10-18-2012, 08:59 AM
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When all season steel belted radials became common hardly anyone bothered with snow tires anymore. The all season tires worked pretty well, as in I never got stuck when I lived in northern Illinois and Wisconsin. Just about everyone had rearwheel drive cars too.
Learn how to drive in the snow and watch out for all the jackassses who don't know how.
I promise you that I well know how to drive in the snow, yet would never consider trying to 'get away with' all seasons for a winter season.
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I promise you that I well know how to drive in the snow, yet would never consider trying to 'get away with' all seasons for a winter season.
Why does everyone think all season's are so great.....they are not snow tires
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Why does everyone think all season's are so great.....they are not snow tires
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This is what we are doing 47 posts later. Go buy snow tires please. That is all.
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I definitely don't think all season tires are anywhere near as good as dedicated winter tires on snow or ice, but if you're just driving around on cold pavement with no snow, I'd rather have all seasons on. For what it's worth, when I lived in Michigan, nobody ever used winter tires there, ever. The reason they can get away with it there is because they have such a well established state and municipal plowing infrastructure. But out here, if we get 1/2" of snow the whole world comes crashing down, since there's like one plow truck for all of Seattle. Fortunately, it basically never snows here except for maybe one time per year, if that.
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Yeah if it snows here in Michigan you better believe the plows will have it taken care of that day. We could get six inches of snow in a night and if it was early enough in the morning the plows would take care of it and we would still have school the next day.
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Yeah if it snows here in Michigan you better believe the plows will have it taken care of that day. We could get six inches of snow in a night and if it was early enough in the morning the plows would take care of it and we would still have school the next day.
Here in Buff NY its like that too we got a foot the one night snow plows hardly cleared it still school like um what. The lake effect here is unreal you can be out raking leaves one afternoon and busting out the snow blower the next thus i love winter tyres never really know whats going to happen in a climate like this
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