Welcome to Bimmerfest -- The #1 Online Community for BMW related information! Please enjoy the discussion forums below and share your experiences with the 200,000 current, new and past BMW owners. The forums are broken out by car model and into other special interest sections such as BMW European Delivery and a special forum to voice your questions to the many BMW dealers on the site to assist our members!

Please follow the links below to help get you started!

Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > The Best of Bimmerfest! > Motorsports, Racing & Track

Motorsports, Racing & Track
From Formula One to Auto-X, discuss everything related to going fast here...

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #26  
Old 07-02-2004, 09:55 AM
Patrick Patrick is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 20,153
Mein Auto:
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveT
Patrick...

You are an F1 fan after all. No matter what you say.


I have been a Mc Laren fan since 1986 ... I can't deny it.




-
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 07-02-2004, 10:13 AM
The Roadstergal's Avatar
The Roadstergal The Roadstergal is offline
Butting back in
Location: Seattle, WA
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 17,466
Mein Auto: GS500F
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clarke
I really don't think the manufacturers are walking away with a per unit profit on the tires"sold" during a F1 race week.
Yeah, handmade tires; I bet they cost a buttload. Do they do it sans profit for the advertising?
__________________
"This is a revolution, dammit! We're going to have to offend SOMEbody!"
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 07-02-2004, 10:14 AM
The Roadstergal's Avatar
The Roadstergal The Roadstergal is offline
Butting back in
Location: Seattle, WA
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 17,466
Mein Auto: GS500F
Renault assistance?

__________________
"This is a revolution, dammit! We're going to have to offend SOMEbody!"
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 07-02-2004, 11:17 AM
racerdave's Avatar
racerdave racerdave is offline
I reject your reality
Location: and substitute my own
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 2,062
Mein Auto: 02 Trulli-Leopard


What's even more amazing is that the mechanics apparently got the same car back together and ready by the time the second practice started.
__________________
If you're in control, you're not driving fast enough -- Parnelli Jones
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 07-02-2004, 11:54 AM
The Roadstergal's Avatar
The Roadstergal The Roadstergal is offline
Butting back in
Location: Seattle, WA
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 17,466
Mein Auto: GS500F
It's hard to define "same car" anymore when they're so good at swapping parts.
__________________
"This is a revolution, dammit! We're going to have to offend SOMEbody!"
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 07-02-2004, 12:21 PM
Alex Baumann Alex Baumann is offline
Ex-Dictator
Location: *
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 26,112
Mein Auto: Saab
C'mon, Patrick is an F1 fan as much as I'm an ice hockey fan
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 07-02-2004, 01:26 PM
WILLIA///M's Avatar
WILLIA///M WILLIA///M is offline
95NU>*
Location: Vermont
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,109
Mein Auto: '04 Imola/Cinn M3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Know-It-All
If there was damage to the engine, then he's going to have to start from the back of the grid.
They kept the race car and didn't switch to the spare. He's good to go with the race engine.
__________________
I'm not a race car driver, but I play one on my TV.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 07-03-2004, 06:08 AM
WILLIA///M's Avatar
WILLIA///M WILLIA///M is offline
95NU>*
Location: Vermont
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,109
Mein Auto: '04 Imola/Cinn M3
Thumbs up Reults from Q1

1. Juan Pablo Montoya, Williams, 1:13.377
2. Michael Schumacher, Ferrari, 1:13.541
3. David Coulthard, McLaren, 1:13.649
4. Kimi Raikkonen, McLaren, 1:13.736
5. Fernando Alonso, Renault, 1:13.750
6. Jenson Button, BAR, 1:13.772
7. Jarno Trulli, Renault, 1:13.949
8. Takuma Sato, BAR, 1:14.130
9. Marc Gene, Williams, 1:14.133
10. Cristiano da Matta, Toyota, 1:14.245
11. Olivier Panis, Toyota, 1:14.540
12. Felipe Massa, Sauber, 1:14.627
13. Christian Klien, Jaguar, 1:15.205
14. Mark Webber, Jaguar, 1:15.332
15. Giancarlo Fisichella, Sauber, 1:15.793
16. Giorgio Pantano, Jordan, 1:15.913
17. Nick Heidfeld, Jordan, 1:16.366
18. Gianmaria Bruni, Minardi, 1:18.070
19. Zsolt Baumgartner, Minardi, 1:18.108
20. Rubens Barrichello, Ferrari, no time
__________________
I'm not a race car driver, but I play one on my TV.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 07-03-2004, 07:39 AM
WILLIA///M's Avatar
WILLIA///M WILLIA///M is offline
95NU>*
Location: Vermont
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,109
Mein Auto: '04 Imola/Cinn M3
Sector 3 killed Williams today. Even behind the Jaguars. Sector times.
__________________
I'm not a race car driver, but I play one on my TV.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 07-03-2004, 07:53 AM
SteveT's Avatar
SteveT SteveT is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Rockville, Maryland
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,573
Mein Auto: '08 E92 M3/'11 X6 3.5
Look at Michael's times as well. He got a slow third sector time also. Gene, Schumacher and Montoya have the fastest speed trap times. That's a downforce issue that's hurting them in the third sector. They all might have chosen a little more wing and given up a little speed for cornering in the third sector. I don't know if top speed helps with any of the passing opportunities at Magny Cours. Passing is a problem there for sure.



Speed Trap
__________________

SteveT
2008 E92 M3 - SSII/Fox Red
2011X6 3.5 - AW/Red/Alcantara/Leather
BMW CCA
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 07-03-2004, 10:39 AM
WILLIA///M's Avatar
WILLIA///M WILLIA///M is offline
95NU>*
Location: Vermont
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,109
Mein Auto: '04 Imola/Cinn M3
JPM's reaction to qualifying

"It's a shame that I couldn't again set the fastest time in qualifying, after such a good pre-qualifying lap. We solved the problems I had in this morning's free practice, changing the car quite a bit, and we went out for qualifying with the right set-up."

"In qualifying I was quickest in the first two sectors, but then I made a mistake because I was pushing too hard and lost the rear of my car in the second high-speed chicane and I could only set the sixth time. The positive thing is that we showed today that the pace is there and this means we should have a strong race car. Anyway, we'll see tomorrow how we are going to perform compared with everybody else."
__________________
I'm not a race car driver, but I play one on my TV.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 07-03-2004, 05:17 PM
The Roadstergal's Avatar
The Roadstergal The Roadstergal is offline
Butting back in
Location: Seattle, WA
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 17,466
Mein Auto: GS500F
Interesting qualifying.

This will be fun to watch.
__________________
"This is a revolution, dammit! We're going to have to offend SOMEbody!"
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 07-03-2004, 05:20 PM
The Roadstergal's Avatar
The Roadstergal The Roadstergal is offline
Butting back in
Location: Seattle, WA
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 17,466
Mein Auto: GS500F
Whoa!

Friday pictures:








Saturday:

__________________
"This is a revolution, dammit! We're going to have to offend SOMEbody!"
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 07-04-2004, 07:22 AM
Jetfire's Avatar
Jetfire Jetfire is offline
Car Junkie
Location: N. VA
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,390
Mein Auto: '88 M3, Ex-'99 M3
Holy crap (haven't I heard that before). The man is unbelievable. Awesome, just awesome!

Meanwhile, I would've loved to have a tap in the radio conversations that must've taken place between JPM and his team. There would've been enough "colorful language" to keep me cursing for a month.
__________________

'88 M3
Conforti chip, Evo airbox/K&N filter, UUC short shift kit, oil pan baffle, Hella H4 lights, OEM glass sunroof
sold: '99 M3 Coupe
Cosmos Black
Airbox baffle removed, ZKW ellipsoid headlights, UUC short shift kit, BMW x-brace, debadged

'96 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo V8
(Support Vehicle)
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 07-04-2004, 07:31 AM
WILLIA///M's Avatar
WILLIA///M WILLIA///M is offline
95NU>*
Location: Vermont
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,109
Mein Auto: '04 Imola/Cinn M3
Did we just see the beginning of the 4 stop strategy era? That was just brilliant race strategy and brilliant driving.

With the apparent resurgance of of McLaren, Williams is going to be stuck as the fifth best team it looks like.
__________________
I'm not a race car driver, but I play one on my TV.
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 07-04-2004, 07:37 AM
Patrick Patrick is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 20,153
Mein Auto:
What a MOVE by the #2 Ferrari driver!

Nice ...


-
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 07-04-2004, 07:37 AM
Jetfire's Avatar
Jetfire Jetfire is offline
Car Junkie
Location: N. VA
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,390
Mein Auto: '88 M3, Ex-'99 M3
I got the feeling that that was a one-time thing. I also think that in F1's current state, the only driver who can actually make a four-stopper work successfully is MS. Doesn't mean that others shouldn't try, though. Very interesting.

The battle for third was also really exciting and bizarre. What did Trulli do to lose it at the very last turn?
__________________

'88 M3
Conforti chip, Evo airbox/K&N filter, UUC short shift kit, oil pan baffle, Hella H4 lights, OEM glass sunroof
sold: '99 M3 Coupe
Cosmos Black
Airbox baffle removed, ZKW ellipsoid headlights, UUC short shift kit, BMW x-brace, debadged

'96 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo V8
(Support Vehicle)
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 07-04-2004, 08:03 AM
Clarke's Avatar
Clarke Clarke is offline
Astigmatic Visionary
Location: Alpharetta Ga.
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,802
Mein Auto: 325Cic-Topaz-Sand
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetfire
I got the feeling that that was a one-time thing. I also think that in F1's current state, the only driver who can actually make a four-stopper work successfully is MS. Doesn't mean that others shouldn't try, though. Very interesting.

The battle for third was also really exciting and bizarre. What did Trulli do to lose it at the very last turn?
(only driver/car combo)..BTW did anyone else think Maxs "explanation" of how the safety teams performance at Indy was just fine rather lame."The re-animator was on the scene within the specified 2 mins.""So if he was dead they could have brought him back just fine"(sic) Gee-so long as the got there within an arbitrary time frame you've set there is no need to try to get there any quicker!
__________________
Don't Forget to Have Fun! 325Cic Topaz,Sand;Sport,Premium. X5 3.0 Topaz,Sand;Sport,Premium,Xenon,Nav,HK,PDC.
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 07-04-2004, 08:11 AM
Jetfire's Avatar
Jetfire Jetfire is offline
Car Junkie
Location: N. VA
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,390
Mein Auto: '88 M3, Ex-'99 M3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clarke
(only driver/car combo)..BTW did anyone else think Maxs "explanation" of how the safety teams performance at Indy was just fine rather lame."The re-animator was on the scene within the specified 2 mins.""So if he was dead they could have brought him back just fine"(sic) Gee-so long as the got there within an arbitrary time frame you've set there is no need to try to get there any quicker!
Totally. He was being super defensive in the interview, and I really think his responses -- while decent for the company line -- were unsatisfactory. Still, if the stated goal is to get help to the scene within two minutes, I suppose you can't be overly critical of Indy for executing their plan successfully.

That leaves the decision to keep the race going under caution while they cleaned up the mess. All of the footage they've played makes it pretty clear to me that they should've stopped the race, and I think the FIA needs to seriously evaluate their policy in these matters.
__________________

'88 M3
Conforti chip, Evo airbox/K&N filter, UUC short shift kit, oil pan baffle, Hella H4 lights, OEM glass sunroof
sold: '99 M3 Coupe
Cosmos Black
Airbox baffle removed, ZKW ellipsoid headlights, UUC short shift kit, BMW x-brace, debadged

'96 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo V8
(Support Vehicle)
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 07-04-2004, 08:15 AM
Patrick Patrick is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 20,153
Mein Auto:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetfire
Totally. He was being super defensive in the interview, and I really think his responses -- while decent for the company line -- were unsatisfactory. Still, if the stated goal is to get help to the scene within two minutes, I suppose you can't be overly critical of Indy for executing their plan successfully.
Ron Dennis went out of his way yesterday to be interviewed and slam Mosely + his comments. I read the text of the interview in Finnish, but I have not found it in English anywhere.

Basically, he gave his point of view that Mosely was talking out of his ass ...


-
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old 07-04-2004, 10:16 AM
Alex Baumann Alex Baumann is offline
Ex-Dictator
Location: *
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 26,112
Mein Auto: Saab

No, I don't believe that this is the beginning of a four stop strategy. Ferrari's top speed was higher than Renault's and they were faster in T1, where Renault shone in T2. In the last section they were almost identical fast.

Trulli p0wn3d by Rubens very badly. The race is never finished, before you pass the line. I'm sure this will be a lesson for Trulli the next time.

Other than the Trulli-Rubens-Button trio, the race was pretty boring.

As for Mosley, I never liked him. He has an arrogant attitude. His 'efforts' to make the F1 more attractive and an 'affordable' event is very funny.
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 07-04-2004, 11:01 AM
Patrick Patrick is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 20,153
Mein Auto:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Baumann
No, I don't believe that this is the beginning of a four stop strategy. Ferrari's top speed was higher than Renault's and they were faster in T1, where Renault shone in T2. In the last section they were almost identical fast.

Trulli p0wn3d by Rubens very badly. The race is never finished, before you pass the line. I'm sure this will be a lesson for Trulli the next time.

Other than the Trulli-Rubens-Button trio, the race was pretty boring.

As for Mosley, I never liked him. He has an arrogant attitude. His 'efforts' to make the F1 more attractive and an 'affordable' event is very funny.
Well, there you are ...

Yes, the #1 car was awesome - and I think that pit stop #4 was just for show. Amazing 7th win on the same track. Quite a record for someone interested in making records.

The #2 car's pass at the end was fantastic - it made the race for me. Hats off for that.

The race was boring. The Trulli-Barrichello-Button trio was also boring. Nothing really happened until the last lap.

And agreed about the FIA boss-king. I hope that Max has a pleasant retirement ... he is old enough to deserve it. Thank you for going away, quickly.




-
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 07-04-2004, 11:08 AM
Alex Baumann Alex Baumann is offline
Ex-Dictator
Location: *
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 26,112
Mein Auto: Saab
BTW, I think Mclaren Mercedes Team deserves a mention. They both finished the race. Their pace was very good too
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old 07-04-2004, 11:17 AM
Patrick Patrick is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 20,153
Mein Auto:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Baumann
BTW, I think Mclaren Mercedes Team deserves a mention. They both finished the race. Their pace was very good too
First race for the new car, so not bad. Kimi's qualifying screw-ups cost him a few places in the race, but JPM helped by spinning out twice. I still wonder why they brought the car out for this race. Regardless, both finished ...

Another question this race raises is what is Marc Gene's status after finishing 10th.


-
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old 07-04-2004, 11:44 AM
Mr Paddle.Shift Mr Paddle.Shift is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: bmw
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 3,848
Mein Auto: bmw
Wait a minute, fellas...Time out for a second here.

No discussions about Spoonface peeling out first before Goatee-face during the warm-up lap? If there is a 15sec disqualification for Forkface running from the grid back to the garage, there has got to be a regulation for what happened during the beginning of the warm-up lap.

Care to comment?
__________________


Technik Engineering ASA Stage 1 Supercharged E46 M54B25.
NASA TTD So Cal. Track blog: VSETrack

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Forum Navigation
Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > The Best of Bimmerfest! > Motorsports, Racing & Track
Today's Posts Search
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:45 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2001-2011 performanceIX, Inc. All Rights Reserved .: guidelines .:. privacy .:. terms