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Old 10-06-2012, 08:03 PM
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2012 535xdrive CPO questions

Msrp 69k with M package, premium, cold, prem sound, HUD, etc. space grey over cinnamon. 11.5k miles.

Price 55900..........thoughts?


The oem ls2 are showing some wear has anyone replaced tires with the Pirelli P7 Cinturato all season run flats in the 245/45/19 size
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:08 PM
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Msrp 69k with M package, premium, cold, prem sound, HUD, etc. space grey over cinnamon. 11.5k miles.

Price 55900..........thoughts?


The oem ls2 are showing some wear has anyone replaced tires with the Pirelli P7 Cinturato all season run flats in the 245/45/19 size
Tooooo high.

That's what I paid for mine, with the same MSRP......18 months ago (with CPO) and with fewer miles. This was before 2012's even came out! Now 2013's are out and that car is 2 MY's old.

Recent Manheim results:

10/03/12 NJ Lease $48,500 8,526 Above ALPINE W 6GT P Yes
09/26/12 NJ Factory $48,500 10,076 Above DARKGRPH 6GT A Yes
09/28/12 PA Regular $37,500 12,897 Below WHITE 6GT No
09/13/12 PHOENIX Lease $42,500 14,176 Avg SILVER 6GT A Yes
09/27/12 NEVADA Factory $43,250 14,922 Avg SPACEGRA 6G A Yes
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Old 10-07-2012, 02:28 AM
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Is it common for BMW dealers to acquire executive demos through an auction? Does it imply that the car had problems because the current dealer does not have the service records which seems very strange being an internal fleet vehicle. Also, the car is not being sold as a CPO which doubles my concern.
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Tooooo high.

That's what I paid for mine, with the same MSRP......18 months ago (with CPO) and with fewer miles. This was before 2012's even came out! Now 2013's are out and that car is 2 MY's old.

Recent Manheim results:

10/03/12 NJ Lease $48,500 8,526 Above ALPINE W 6GT P Yes
09/26/12 NJ Factory $48,500 10,076 Above DARKGRPH 6GT A Yes
09/28/12 PA Regular $37,500 12,897 Below WHITE 6GT No
09/13/12 PHOENIX Lease $42,500 14,176 Avg SILVER 6GT A Yes
09/27/12 NEVADA Factory $43,250 14,922 Avg SPACEGRA 6G A Yes
How does one read these Manheim statements? How does one get this info in order to make comparisons?

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Old 10-07-2012, 05:47 AM
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How does one read these Manheim statements? How does one get this info in order to make comparisons?
Yes, it is common.
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Old 10-07-2012, 05:52 AM
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Recent Manheim results:

10/03/12 NJ Lease $48,500 8,526 Above ALPINE W 6GT P Yes
09/26/12 NJ Factory $48,500 10,076 Above DARKGRPH 6GT A Yes
09/28/12 PA Regular $37,500 12,897 Below WHITE 6GT No
09/13/12 PHOENIX Lease $42,500 14,176 Avg SILVER 6GT A Yes
09/27/12 NEVADA Factory $43,250 14,922 Avg SPACEGRA 6G A Yes
You need to be a dealer to access Manheim. Or know one.

Date of sale, Auction location, type of car, hammer price, mileage, condition rating (gross category, above, average, below, condition rating reports are much more detailed), color, cylinder count, fuel, turbo/super (that's the 6GT part), transmission and I honestly forget the last column.

Keep in mind, this is the hammer price, and dos not include fees, transport or any reconditioning, or CPO fees.
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Old 10-07-2012, 06:09 AM
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Tooooo high.

That's what I paid for mine, with the same MSRP......18 months ago (with CPO) and with fewer miles. This was before 2012's even came out! Now 2013's are out and that car is 2 MY's old.

Recent Manheim results:

10/03/12 NJ Lease $48,500 8,526 Above ALPINE W 6GT P Yes
09/26/12 NJ Factory $48,500 10,076 Above DARKGRPH 6GT A Yes
09/28/12 PA Regular $37,500 12,897 Below WHITE 6GT No
09/13/12 PHOENIX Lease $42,500 14,176 Avg SILVER 6GT A Yes
09/27/12 NEVADA Factory $43,250 14,922 Avg SPACEGRA 6G A Yes
How did you buy a 2012 18 months ago?

Are the auction prices for a loaded 69k MSRP and what year?

The car was a retail trade, not auction, serviced at dealer that is offering it for sale.
Service records indicate start stop issue switch button replaced, battery charge issue and front doors were aligned.
Original in service date was 01/11/2012 and the car is a 2012 model year not 11.
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How did you buy a 2012 18 months ago?

Are the auction prices for a loaded 69k MSRP and what year?

The car was a retail trade, not auction, serviced at dealer that is offering it for sale.
Service records indicate start stop issue switch button replaced, battery charge issue and front doors were aligned.
Original in service date was 01/11/2012 and the car is a 2012 model year not 11.
Those sound like significant issues.
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Old 10-07-2012, 05:16 PM
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Msrp 69k with M package, premium, cold, prem sound, HUD, etc. space grey over cinnamon. 11.5k miles.

Price 55900..........thoughts?


The oem ls2 are showing some wear has anyone replaced tires with the Pirelli P7 Cinturato all season run flats in the 245/45/19 size
Do you have the exact specs on the car? That MSRP is pretty high and would mean a lot more option then you listed.

Go to BMW config and enter the specs, see what you come up with...

This seems really high to me.
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Old 10-07-2012, 06:27 PM
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How did you buy a 2012 18 months ago?

Are the auction prices for a loaded 69k MSRP and what year?

The car was a retail trade, not auction, serviced at dealer that is offering it for sale.
Service records indicate start stop issue switch button replaced, battery charge issue and front doors were aligned.
Original in service date was 01/11/2012 and the car is a 2012 model year not 11.
Sorry, mis-read. Thought it was a 2011.

Here are auction results for 2012. They are, of course, much higher. Based on the MSRP given, I'd say this is a fair deal.

Doesn't matter how it was acquired by the dealer, auction prices are the benchmark for the used cars.

09/26/12 MILWAUKE Lease $54,500 5,318 Avg CARBON B 6GT A Yes
10/03/12 NJ Lease $50,250 5,759 Avg ALPINE W 6GT P Yes
09/17/12 OHIO Factory $55,750 14,115 Avg BLACKSAP 6GT A Yes
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Heaven is where the police are British, the cooks are French, the cars are German, the lovers are Italian and it is all organised by the Swiss.

Hell is where the police are German, the cooks are English, the cars are French, the lovers are Swiss, and it is all organised by the Italians
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Those sound like significant issues.
Not really.
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Heaven is where the police are British, the cooks are French, the cars are German, the lovers are Italian and it is all organised by the Swiss.

Hell is where the police are German, the cooks are English, the cars are French, the lovers are Swiss, and it is all organised by the Italians
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Old 10-07-2012, 06:48 PM
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I have the original sticker pulled from the VIN #
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Looks like invoice was around 63,500, and considering there were recent credits of $3500, bringing that car to around 60K including dealer profit, it does not seem enough of a discount for the 11K miles. That is just my 2 cents :-)
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Looks like invoice was around 63,500, and considering there were recent credits of $3500, bringing that car to around 60K including dealer profit, it does not seem enough of a discount for the 11K miles. That is just my 2 cents :-)
CPO adds about $2k of value.
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CPO adds about $2k of value.
You mean cost
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Unfortunately, BMW CPO incentives do not apply, best finance rate I can get is 2.99.

With CPO certification, is the oil changed and air filter etc, or do they wait until service indicator?
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With CPO certification, is the oil changed and air filter etc, or do they wait until service indicator?[/QUOTE]

This is an excellent question for the "Ask a Dealer" forum.
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reached an agreeable price.
Now what software upgrades should be done before delivery?
I know about start stop being switched to last setting.
Connected drive?
transmission/engine hesitation
is there a nav map update
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No Nav map update.

Simply ask them to check for any software updates.
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reached an agreeable price.
Now what software upgrades should be done before delivery?
I know about start stop being switched to last setting.
Connected drive?
transmission/engine hesitation
is there a nav map update
What no details on final price? Boo. Details help out others down the line.
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Final price 54900 with KBB excellent condition trade allowance for my 06 RL
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Final price 54900 with KBB excellent condition trade allowance for my 06 RL
"Excellent". Hmmm sound like they helped you out a bit. Congrats on the new wheels :-)
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i just purchased the exact same car .. minus the HUD
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Old 10-10-2012, 07:04 AM
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It right at about your price but with 2.5k and no HUD so I guess it evens out.
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