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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 10-06-2012, 07:17 PM
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Oil filter collapsed (00 540i)

This is the second time I have had this happen to me.

My weekly commute is 95% highway driving anywhere between 70-75 mph. I don't drive the car hard either.

CCV replaced with OEM unit. Car does not smoke or use oil.

Oil changed every 2500-3500 miles. Mann filter , M1 synthetic 5W-30 iirc.

Any ideas on what could be causing this? No vacuum leaks as well.
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:46 PM
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Just asking, but how do you know when it collapses? What is the time the filter is in the car? I see mileage but no time mentioned.
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:05 PM
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Last time it happened there was a small puddle of oil on the ground. I believe CN90 told me to check the filter and that was the problem as it is now.

As for the time frame, it does not take me long to reach the mileage mentioned above. I have a 97 mile commute to work and back 5-6 days a week.
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Old 10-06-2012, 09:51 PM
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Are you letting the car warm up a bit before getting on it? By that, I mean do you drive gently, until the car is fully warmed up, which can take 6 to 8 miles of driving, to get the oil up to operating temperature. The temp gauge in your cluster is for water, and that can come up to temp in a mile or two...but oil takes much longer. And until it is fully warm, it can be quite thick. Stomping on the gas on an on ramp while still cold, could possibly result in a collapsed oil filter... ??? I'm not really sure.
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Are you letting the car warm up a bit before getting on it? By that, I mean do you drive gently, until the car is fully warmed up, which can take 6 to 8 miles of driving, to get the oil up to operating temperature. The temp gauge in your cluster is for water, and that can come up to temp in a mile or two...but oil takes much longer. And until it is fully warm, it can be quite thick. Stomping on the gas on an on ramp while still cold, could possibly result in a collapsed oil filter... ??? I'm not really sure.
Funny you should say that. I was just reading up on that and this seems to be the case.

Earlier today I was investigating a leak on my driver side vcg. When I pulled the access panel to check for oil in the plug wells , I noticed that I forgot to reconnect the coil ground wire. Needless to say I was all to excited to have found the source of my misfires. Not thinking at all, I took her for a test drive and was driving her like I stole her for a few miles. Legally....... I could not resist. Nice twisting country roads.

I completely neglected the fact that I should let her warm up before driving. Kind of like the phrase " Catch the ball before you run with it."

I just hope I did not damage anything internally....

Now it is down to the availability of filters . I am 20 miles from the nearest parts store and 50 miles away from getting a quality filter.

Currently my only three options are

1- STP. I don't think so
2- Fram. I would probably be better off by trying to run diesel fuel in the car.
3- WIX. Any thoughts on this brand?
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Old 10-06-2012, 11:02 PM
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Why don't you stick to the German OEM brands: Mahle, Mann, Knecht? There isn't a big $$$ difference between the ones you mentioned.
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Old 10-06-2012, 11:14 PM
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Why don't you stick to the German OEM brands: Mahle, Mann, Knecht? There isn't a big $$$ difference between the ones you mentioned.
Because I am out in the middle of nowhere 50 miles from home and refuse to drive with the filter damaged. None of the stores closest to me carry the oem brands. I am going to buy the wix filter tomorrow as a temporary filter. Ive read bad things about fram and stp.
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Old 10-07-2012, 06:28 AM
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5W-30 oil is thin even when cold. I have trouble believing high rpm with cold oil and high viscosity is the cause. Some non-german filters are too long and will be crushed when cover is tightened. If filter element is not properly seated it will be crushed when you tighten the cover. I removed one of these from one of my E39's on the first oil change. Perhaps someone can measure the length of a german 540i filter.

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Old 10-07-2012, 07:39 AM
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Napa stores typically have the Mahle and/or Mann filters for your car.
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Old 10-07-2012, 07:54 AM
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Nothing wrong with wix, pretty good filters, very popular

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Old 10-07-2012, 08:11 AM
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I've been using Framm and others for the latest 20 years and had never had an issue...
Anyway, AutohausAz will ship you the good germans filters in a matter of few days.
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Old 10-07-2012, 08:21 AM
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Do you have pics of the collapse?

Why don't do order a whole bunch (about 10) of MAHLE Oil Filters and done with.
Most places give you free shipping when the order is above $50.
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Old 10-07-2012, 08:31 AM
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The importance of using Good Filter:

http://bmwspecialistreading.co.uk/th...e-oil-filters/
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Old 10-07-2012, 08:36 AM
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Do you have pics of the collapse?

Why don't do order a whole bunch (about 10) of MAHLE Oil Filters and done with.
Most places give you free shipping when the order is above $50.
Ditto... Stock up.

And also curious what the collapse looks like.
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Old 10-07-2012, 08:37 AM
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Currently my only three options are

1- STP. I don't think so
2- Fram. I would probably be better off by trying to run diesel fuel in the car.
3- WIX. Any thoughts on this brand?
Having used WIX in the past, I would have no hesitation putting it up there with the OEM brands.

When WIX is not available and in a pinch like now, I would also consider putting in a Purolator L35280 which is usually easy to find at many local parts stores.

Then, next time you order parts online, buy one or two extra OEM branded ones just in case.
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Old 10-07-2012, 12:05 PM
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Do you have pics of the collapse?

Why don't do order a whole bunch (about 10) of MAHLE Oil Filters and done with.
Most places give you free shipping when the order is above $50.
I have someone change it for me. It is a perk where my wife works to have a hands on maintenance mech.

He works on all types if high end cars and I have no problem with him doing mine. Also only uses M1, and Wix filters. I get all of this done for roughly $30. Transmission drain/fill and differential for $40 each iirc.

If I get a chance I will take a picture of this filter and I believe I still have the other collapsed filter.
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Maybe he's putting the filter in upside-down. I always snap the filter into the cap before inserting it.

I've never heard of such a thing. The pressure drop across the filter is zero.
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Maybe he's putting the filter in upside-down. I always snap the filter into the cap before inserting it.

I've never heard of such a thing. The pressure drop across the filter is zero.
If he is installing it upside down , I just played "follow the leader".

IMO , you would have to be a complete moron to install it the wrong way and or lack common sense.
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[QUOTE=540indiana;7119209]...

He works on all types if high end cars and I have no problem with him doing mine. Also only uses M1, and Wix filters. I get all of this done for roughly $30. Transmission drain/fill and differential for $40 each iirc.

[\QUOTE]

That price is too good to be true. Eight quarts at $4@ is a very good price (I pay $5 at the dealer per quart), and a $10 filter... He must like you a lot to lose money on the job!

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He works on all types if high end cars and I have no problem with him doing mine. Also only uses M1, and Wix filters. I get all of this done for roughly $30. Transmission drain/fill and differential for $40 each iirc.

[\QUOTE]

That price is too good to be true. Eight quarts at $4@ is a very good price (I pay $5 at the dealer per quart), and a $10 filter... He must like you a lot to lose money on the job!

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My wife's company pays him the difference of the cost. Just a really good perk that the company offers my wife.
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My wife's company pays him the difference of the cost. Just a really good perk that the company offers my wife.
That's a very good deal price-wise. However, I would be a bit suspect with two filter collapses, have never seen anyone else post this failure. Does he tighten the filter too much (hand-tight is adequate)?

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Nope , I was able to unscrew the filter cap by hand with some effort.

Turns out I was wrong about the filter being a Mann filter. He uses Wix. Both filters have been Wix that collapsed. I think I may start buying the Mann filters in quantity as CN90 suggested and have him just use the oil.
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Was the filter attached to the cap? I bet hes either dropping the filter in without "clicking" it to the cap OR hes just dropping it in upside down. Even a genius can make a mistake.
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High oil pressure can't crush the filter as there would only be a 2psi pressure drop at worst on a vehicle serviced that often. I would go with bad fitting technique or wrong filter.
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