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Old 10-13-2012, 08:15 PM
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When people say switching from an F30 328i to E90 328i they immediately feel the E90's lack of power, they are really saying the lack of low end power. As evident from the 0-60 time, the accelerations are not substantially different to feel one is much slower than the other.

But if you drive the N52 the same way you do with F30, it will feel much slower. The N52 needs be driven at redline, most people never do that, so a turbo with low end torque is a better fit for most drivers.

An F30 N20 fitted with a well tuned exhaust should solve the less than desirable sound issue. Unfortunately traditionally the BMW PEs were tuned a little more to the Civic boy racer sound. Some of the aftermarket tuners had it better, but those do, are usually very costly.

A well tuned exhaust can really enhance driving experience, but I don't think BMW wants to do it for the 328i, it will seriously make the 335i less appealing. Or maybe they should, since there are too many 328s on the lots, not enough 335s to go around.
The N52 does not need to be driven at redline. I'm guessing you are saying this for effect but the N52 makes max torque at 2750 rpm which is of course considerably higher than the N20 but at about 4K it takes off nicely and accelerates nicely to just short of the redline.
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Old 10-14-2012, 12:45 AM
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The N52 does not need to be driven at redline. I'm guessing you are saying this for effect but the N52 makes max torque at 2750 rpm which is of course considerably higher than the N20 but at about 4K it takes off nicely and accelerates nicely to just short of the redline.
+1 - so much lack of knowledge anymore of the history of BMW motors. (not you dct100) People these days think motors have always made 1,000 lb-ft of torque at 500 rpms.
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I thought people would have moved on from Hyundai being some kind of 3rd world car manufacturer at this point.

The Gene sedan now has a 333hp DI V-6 which nets about 30mph highway.

The V-8 makes 429hp.

They have direct injected 4's making 201hp from 1.6L and as shown, the RWD Gene has a 274hp 2.0 and the v-6 now makes close to 350hp.

Hyundai should be most threatening due to their inside culture which allows them to move very fast.

I was approached in '05 to come in as designer for the newly opening design center in Ann Arbor. The guy at the time said Hyundai was planning from within to be the #1 car company inside of a decade. At the time it was comedic. Now, 7 years later, it's not so outlandish.
Hyundai is moving quickly now, but I remember well the 1988 Hyundai my old Army friends bought the year before we were stationed in Korea. Less than impressive. 24 years ago now. It's taken them some not insignificant time to get ramped up. btw - I'm a fan of Hyundai (and Kia) and Koreans. I put my dad in a Kia Sedona minivan (he's in his second one now, 2006 & 2011) and my sister in a 2011 Kia Forte 5-door. A former Audi designer penned the Forte 5-door. Ever notice its resemblance to the A3?

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Yep. I wonder how the mag tests work. Does the car mag tell BMW what cars it plans on comparing?
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They try to get cars that are as sporty as possible and in a comparison test as similar in base price and features as possible. For example they would never compare a base A4 to a 335.
Yes, but they test the cars the manufacturers provide and if BMW gives them a 3er Sport line with narrow, low rolling resistance tires and Audi gives them an A4 with wide, sticky summers that's what gets tested.
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Old 10-14-2012, 09:15 AM
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Hyundai is moving quickly now, but I remember well the 1988 Hyundai my old Army friends bought the year before we were stationed in Korea. Less than impressive. 24 years ago now. It's taken them some not insignificant time to get ramped up. btw - I'm a fan of Hyundai (and Kia) and Koreans. I put my dad in a Kia Sedona minivan (he's in his second one now, 2006 & 2011) and my sister in a 2011 Kia Forte 5-door. A former Audi designer penned the Forte 5-door. Ever notice its resemblance to the A3?





Yes, but they test the cars the manufacturers provide and if BMW gives them a 3er Sport line with narrow, low rolling resistance tires and Audi gives them an A4 with wide, sticky summers that's what gets tested.
My question is why didn't bmw give a sportline with the summer tires? Sportline comes with 2 versions of the P7. The p7 all seasons which the bmw had and the p7 summer tires which the audi had.

Something else that was interesting(someone pointed this out earlier in the thread) is the a4 that was tested looked to be a non sport model(4 spoke steering wheel) which would have come with all season tires. Anyways, the bmw won the comparo.
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Hey, I have an idea.

Why don't you buy the last year of an eight-year-old body style and drive it for 3 years after it's discontinued? That should certainly make you feel better, right?

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Hyundai is moving quickly now, but I remember well the 1988 Hyundai my old Army friends bought the year before we were stationed in Korea. Less than impressive. 24 years ago now. It's taken them some not insignificant time to get ramped up. btw - I'm a fan of Hyundai (and Kia) and Koreans. I put my dad in a Kia Sedona minivan (he's in his second one now, 2006 & 2011) and my sister in a 2011 Kia Forte 5-door. A former Audi designer penned the Forte 5-door. Ever notice its resemblance to the A3?





Yes, but they test the cars the manufacturers provide and if BMW gives them a 3er Sport line with narrow, low rolling resistance tires and Audi gives them an A4 with wide, sticky summers that's what gets tested.
I am very well aware of Hyundai's past. But we move on. Audi is a long ways from the Audi 5000 debacle.

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Sounds like new 3-series is step forward from e9x.
However, I really miss being able to get just options I want. Now if seems that if I want any option, I have to add premium package, sport package, etc...

Grrrr. All I want is xenon lights and power seats!
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Sounds like new 3-series is step forward from e9x.
However, I really miss being able to get just options I want. Now if seems that if I want any option, I have to add premium package, sport package, etc...

Grrrr. All I want is xenon lights and power seats!
Power memory seats became std for the 2013 model year.
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Sounds like new 3-series is step forward from e9x.
However, I really miss being able to get just options I want. Now if seems that if I want any option, I have to add premium package, sport package, etc...

Grrrr. All I want is xenon lights and power seats!
Um.... buy the base model that comes with power memory seats and add the lighting package. Done.
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Um.... buy the base model that comes with power memory seats and add the lighting package. Done.
In my opinion, the sport line is pretty much a must too, thats another $2500. I do think it was smart for BMW to change up the options packages and the stand alone options on the 2013 F30 to make things more affortable.
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In my opinion, the sport line is pretty much a must too, thats another $2500. I do think it was smart for BMW to change up the options packages and the stand alone options on the 2013 F30 to make things more affortable.
The sport line is not a must but I certainly did not want to order without it.
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in my opinion, the sport line is pretty much a must too, thats another $2500. I do think it was smart for bmw to change up the options packages and the stand alone options on the 2013 f30 to make things more affortable.
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Um.... buy the base model that comes with power memory seats and add the lighting package. Done.
You guys right! That must have been something else I tried to add, and I had to add leather, then I had to add premium package... Don't recall exactly what, but will check later.
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Audi is a long ways from the Audi 5000 debacle.
What debacle? Some descendent of Big Foot bought the car and ruined it for everyone else.
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What debacle? Some descendent of Big Foot bought the car and ruined it for everyone else.
Is that what happened to Toyota?
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What debacle? Some descendent of Big Foot bought the car and ruined it for everyone else.
And the media ran with the story and almost killed Audi.
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And the media ran with the story and almost killed Audi.
I think what almost killed Audi was the president of Audi's response to the incidents that American need to learn how to drive.
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You guys right! That must have been something else I tried to add, and I had to add leather, then I had to add premium package... Don't recall exactly what, but will check later.
For the 2012 models, you needed PP to get HIDs. BMW changed that for the 2013 models, such that HIDs can be puchased on their own.
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I think what almost killed Audi was the president of Audi's response to the incidents that American need to learn how to drive.
THAT debacle lol
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I think what almost killed Audi was the president of Audi's response to the incidents that American need to learn how to drive.
I don't recall that statement but of course he was right.
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CBS' 60 minutes segment demonstrating the sudden acceleration on TV also sent sales of the Audi 5000 plummeting. Of course we all know now that the car on that 60 minutes segment was rigged.
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CBS' 60 minutes segment demonstrating the sudden acceleration on TV also sent sales of the Audi 5000 plummeting. Of course we all know now that the car on that 60 minutes segment was rigged.
Of course it was.
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Wow, not to change the subject, but that's a very nice luxury F30 in the mineral gray. Although Im partial to the sport line, your car looks awesome.
Thanks.

I just came off of three years in an E90 M-Sport and wanted something with a little bling on it this time. Away with the no-chrome exterior, away with the all-black interior.

Sometimes you just have to throw a change-up.

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Of course it was.


"On 23 November 1986, 60 Minutes aired a segment greenlit by Hewitt, concerning the Audi 5000 automobile, a popular German luxury car. The story covered a supposed problem of "unintended acceleration" when the brake pedal was pushed, with emotional interviews with six people who sued Audi (unsuccessfully) after they crashed their cars, including one woman whose six year old boy had been killed. Footage was shown of an Audi 5000 with the accelerator moving down on its own, accelerating the car, after an expert witness employed by one of the plaintiffs modified it with a concealed device to cause it to do so."

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CBS' 60 minutes segment demonstrating the sudden acceleration on TV also sent sales of the Audi 5000 plummeting. Of course we all know now that the car on that 60 minutes segment was rigged.
There was another rigged demo, I think of a pickup or some other car burning/exploding, and I think that time it was NBC. Gotta love "journalists." I always wonder about what percentage of the stuff they feed us is pure crap.

There, google auto complete is the path to almost anything: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dateline_NBC
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