Xdrive suspension questions..

After some research I have discovered that the x drive (Sport line) does not have the sport suspension.

So i just want to confirm that the xi has the same suspension as the base/morern/luxury models?

Sorry for more than one thread on suspension. Just need clarification.

Originally Posted by wayner44

After some research I have discovered that the x drive (Sport line) does not have the sport suspension.

So i just want to confirm that the xi has the same suspension as the base/morern/luxury models?

Sorry for more than one thread on suspension. Just need clarification.

No, it doesn't.

The xDrive suspension is a different suspension than the Comfort suspension or the Sport suspension found on rear wheel drive models.

From what I've read, it feels like the Comfort suspension, not the Sport suspension, a few owners claiming its the softest of the three standard passive (non adaptive) suspensions.

BJ

So even though its the sport xi, it has the same suspension as the modern and luxury xi?

I am a bit bummed about this. Is the xi suspension good enough to enjoy the ocasional mountain road? I am contemplating if the extra money for the m adaptive is worth it for the little bit I would be using it.

Originally Posted by wonderd

So even though its the sport xi, it has the same suspension as the modern and luxury xi?

I am a bit bummed about this. Is the xi suspension good enough to enjoy the ocasional mountain road? I am contemplating if the extra money for the m adaptive is worth it for the little bit I would be using it.

Yes, xDrive suspension is just fine for the vast majority of people. Most can't come close to pushing it to its limits.

The standard suspension is up to the task of spirited driving. The adaptive m is noticeably better. I have time with both as well as stock sport on a RWD 328i F30.

In another forum a CA who drove sport and adaptive back to back (a track at the NA premier in CA I believe) gave the nod to adaptive.

Just a little bummed that bmw advertises the sport xi as having the sport suspension. your paying 1700 extra for mostly looks.

BMW makes it confusing which cars come with sport suspension and which don't. You have to go by the official ordering guide document and not the web site.

On the upside the dynamic handling package on the F30 is a great deal and can be put on any F30 regardless of line or if it has xdrive or not.

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Originally Posted by wayner44

Just a little bummed that bmw advertises the sport xi as having the sport suspension. your paying 1700 extra for mostly looks.

Where are you seeing this? I have not seen any advertisement the AWD Sport model comes equipped with the sport suspension.

I too thought the x-drive came with the 704 Sport Suspension. It is listed on the BMW USA website but on the actual build from the dealer, it does not have the sport suspension. If you want a sport suspension with an x-drive you have to go with the Dynamic Handling Package which includes the Adaptive M Suspension and Variable Sport Steering ($1,000). I missed when I ordered my x-drive.

what are you going to do?

Originally Posted by wonderd

So even though its the sport xi, it has the same suspension as the modern and luxury xi?

I am a bit bummed about this. Is the xi suspension good enough to enjoy the ocasional mountain road? I am contemplating if the extra money for the m adaptive is worth it for the little bit I would be using it.

xi never has been able to compete, back road sword play.

But, that is not its market. You're smart to wait at least another year for maturity, and especially bright to wait for M3 - with M3 parts, your non xi can wear a civic crown. With LSD, not so bad in snow.

If you look at the Ordering Guide for the 2013 F30, it spells out what is included in each model configuration and what is optional. Hopefully, I uploaded the Ordering Guide correctly. It dates back to May.

I believe it is accurate and a better reference than the BMW web site.

On the M Adaptive Suspension, as I understand the adaptive part is always working, so even if you don't go into sport mode M Adaptive is providing a different (more controlled?) ride than a car without M Adaptive.

2013 BMW 3 Series Sedan (F30) Ordering Guide

BruceOmega I see you have the 335xi do you have the m suspension? If not how do you like the feel of the car and do you ever do spirited driving?

Edit: I see from your previous post that you have the dynamic

Originally Posted by wayner44

BruceOmega I see you have the 335xi do you have the m suspension? If not how do you like the feel of the car and do you ever do spirited driving?

Edit: I see from your previous post that you have the dynamic

One of the reasons I replaced my '08 535Xi with the F30 was to get an optional, sportier suspension with AWD. I also got the Sport AT and summer performance tires with increased top speed limiter.

Have not had the car long, but last week I got a chance to drive on some twisty mountain roads and I was impressed at how well it handles. At one point, I was climbing up a mountain with switchback turns and was amazed at how fast I could go while being under full control.

Thanks
Bruce

Originally Posted by BruceOmega

One of the reasons I replaced my '08 535Xi with the F30 was to get an optional, sportier suspension with AWD. I also got the Sport AT and summer performance tires with increased top speed limiter.

Have not had the car long, but last week I got a chance to drive on some twisty mountain roads and I was impressed at how well it handles. At one point, I was climbing up a mountain with switchback turns and was amazed at how fast I could go while being under full control.

Thanks
Bruce

Unless you got the adaptive suspension your car has the same suspension as the non-sport equipped RWD cars.

You was getting the backend loose on a Xdrive? Was the traction control on or off? Sorry dont know much about this, the 335xi will be my first bmw.

Originally Posted by BruceOmega

One of the reasons I replaced my '08 535Xi with the F30 was to get an optional, sportier suspension with AWD. I also got the Sport AT and summer performance tires with increased top speed limiter.

Have not had the car long, but last week I got a chance to drive on some twisty mountain roads and I was impressed at how well it handles. At one point, I was climbing up a mountain with switchback turns and was amazed at how fast I could go while being under full control.

Thanks
Bruce

Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY

xi never has been able to compete, back road sword play.

For the vast majority of drivers it certainly can.

Originally Posted by sunny5280

For the vast majority of drivers it certainly can.

Well, IMHO, non-sport suspension prob won't keep up w/sport, and def won't against handling mods or M cars.

But I say again, xi's not intended for sport. So what if it doesn't shave as close? I sez: xi drivers buy 'em for their other talents.

Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY

Well, IMHO, non-sport suspension prob won't keep up w/sport, and def won't against handling mods or M cars.

Given the abilities of most drivers the xDrive cars will be right up there with the non xDrive cars. The reality is the vast majority of drivers, and that includes those on this forum, cannot push either car to their limits. Thus making the lower performance capabilities of the AWD irrelevant.

Think of it like speed comparisons. You have a car which can go 155 MPH and another which can "only" go 128 MPH. If you're driving both on US roads and remain within the speed limit (or even close to them) neither car is faster than the other as neither can be driven to their full potential.

Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY

But I say again, xi's not intended for sport. So what if it doesn't shave as close? I sez: xi drivers buy 'em for their other talents.

To a degree I agree. People do buy AWD BMWs because of their sporty characteristics. But top sportiness is not at the top of their list.

Originally Posted by sunny5280

Unless you got the adaptive suspension your car has the same suspension as the non-sport equipped RWD cars.

I do have the M Adaptive suspension- have the Dynamic Handling Package.

Originally Posted by wayner44

You was getting the backend loose on a Xdrive? Was the traction control on or off? Sorry dont know much about this, the 335xi will be my first bmw.

No, the back end was not getting loose. That was the point I was trying to make, I was driving agressively and everything was under control, no sliding or slipping. I put the rocker switch in Sport mode (full configuration) and moved the transmission shift lever to the left and had fun.

The nature of cornering with AWD, as I understand how that operates on a BMW, is one of the reasons I went with AWD. My driving is on public roads. My own personal preference is I do not want to power drift or slide around corners either with the traffic where I live or on the two lane / narrow country and mountain roads we take on weekend excursions.

Thanks
Bruce

Originally Posted by sunny5280

You have a car which can go 155 MPH and another which can "only" go 128 MPH. If you're driving both on US roads and remain within the speed limit (or even close to them) neither car is faster than the other as neither can be driven to their full potential.

Dear oh dear, how easy it is to make linear conclusions.

Yo! Not to put too fine a point on it, but my MOMMY can drive a M3 faster than a 3--xi, any dry, paved, curvy route. Truth is: M's a much easier car to drive, behaves so well. Limit the M to identical power, still easily outruns xi, any twist & turn. A good suspension is delightfully easy to work.

Winter might yield a diff result, eh.

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Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY

Dear oh dear, how easy it is to make linear conclusions.

Yo! Not to put too fine a point on it, but my MOMMY can drive a M3 faster than a 3--xi, any dry, paved, curvy route. Truth is: M's a much easier car to drive, behaves so well. Limit the M to identical power, still easily outruns xi, any twist & turn. A good suspension is delightfully easy to work.

Winter might yield a diff result, eh.

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M3 doesn't have some magic that makes it easier to drive.

Originally Posted by sunny5280

M3 doesn't have some magic that makes it easier to drive.

There we disagree. Mine does too, though it has a feature or two M3 does not, but lacks an aluminum rear subframe and adj shocks. I do OK....