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X5 E70 (2007 - 2013)
E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 12-28-2016, 03:04 AM
DieselJimmie DieselJimmie is offline
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Brakes and Discs

Do BMW dealer service centres carry more than just the standard brakes and discs when doing a brake job? I would like some premium brake pads and discs for a brake job I'll soon be having done on my 2009 X5 3.0i. Preferably brakes pads with less dust. Or do I need to go to a brake specialist? Thx
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Old 12-28-2016, 10:16 AM
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You do not need to go to BMW for brakes, especially if paying out of pocket. Find a shop that specializes in BMW or European cars. They should give you option for pads.
The least dusty are Akebono, but less initial bite than stock. There are dozens of alternatives and many here have an opinion, just like oil and tires. Search and read, there are hundreds of threads.

I for one have less dusty pads waiting to go on the car, hopefully this weekend if warm enough. I am tired of my wheels looking like this.





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Old 12-28-2016, 11:00 AM
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Bmw dealers only use bmw parts...there is ONE choice at the dealer.

Don't fall for 'performance' rotors.... Lots of decent choices for rotors, zimmerman, etc. $200 on Amazon

Not a lot of variation on pads... Less rest means less bite, while stll providing ok performance. I have akebonos.

There are many threads on this topic
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Old 12-28-2016, 11:17 AM
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"premium" discs? Yeah, dealers have them, they're call OEs and can only be found at dealerships.
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Old 12-28-2016, 11:05 PM
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"premium" discs? Yeah, dealers have them, they're call OEs and can only be found at dealerships.
I assume you are being facetious...

The BMW OE disc are just regular pagid or zimmerman discs, but a premium BMW price. There is nothing 'premium' in their performance.....
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Old 12-29-2016, 08:55 AM
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I assume you are being facetious...

The BMW OE disc are just regular pagid or zimmerman discs, but a premium BMW price. There is nothing 'premium' in their performance.....
BMW rotors are mostly supplied by ATE or BALO and some by Textar (M models by Brembo). I have never seen so far Zimmerman OEM rotor.
OEM rotors do have high carbon content compare to most replacement rotors. I would say considering braking performance of BMW cars that their brake components are "premium" if you wanna call them that way.
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Old 12-29-2016, 08:59 AM
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Do BMW dealer service centres carry more than just the standard brakes and discs when doing a brake job? I would like some premium brake pads and discs for a brake job I'll soon be having done on my 2009 X5 3.0i. Preferably brakes pads with less dust. Or do I need to go to a brake specialist? Thx
I can bet that whatever product you buy that says "premium" is not as good as BMW's brakes. Stay away from those drilled or slotted rotors. If you want less dust get Akebono pads (will influence performance) or Textar ePad.
If you choose to get replacement that is on par with OEM get Textar, ATE, Pagid, Zimmerman (rotors).
I would personally go for ATE or Brembo rotors and ATE or Textar pads.
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Old 12-29-2016, 09:12 AM
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based on my experience i would go with regular OEM brakes. Yes there is a lot of dust but performance wise are number one.
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Old 12-29-2016, 10:08 AM
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BMW rotors are mostly supplied by ATE or BALO and some by Textar (M models by Brembo). I have never seen so far Zimmerman OEM rotor.
OEM rotors do have high carbon content compare to most replacement rotors. I would say considering braking performance of BMW cars that their brake components are "premium" if you wanna call them that way.
I've never seen any EVIDENCE the OE rotors differ from OEMs...ate, BALO, zimmerman

I've never seen data saying they perform differently, have different characteristics, wear differentl, or longer, or warm less.... If they have 'high carbon content' (how is this knowable??) then what is the benefit? Not theoretic but actually demonstrable benefits.

Are you really saying the same BMW, one with OE pads and rotors, the other with OE pads and ATE, Pagid, Balo or Zimmerman rotors will have less braking 'performance'??


(and Im not being a dick here, just trying to break through the mystique around "OE" parts. So many people read content like this, and just shrug, say 'well maybe OE is worth it- someone on the internet said some stuff that sounds like there might be a benefit- I'll spend the extra $200")

Finally, if there IS proof OE rotors are superior, I may need to rethink MY choices!

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Old 12-29-2016, 10:29 AM
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Bunch of BS. Plenty of parts providers out there. Get some ceramic pads and cal it a day. Install is easy as heck. No need to go to bmw mechanic.
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Old 12-29-2016, 11:14 AM
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Do BMW dealer service centres carry more than just the standard brakes and discs when doing a brake job? I would like some premium brake pads and discs for a brake job I'll soon be having done on my 2009 X5 3.0i. Preferably brakes pads with less dust. Or do I need to go to a brake specialist? Thx
BMW right out of the box has damn good brakes. One of the tradeoffs is short lifespan and brake dust. The dealership I was having my maintenance and warranty work done at insists there is nothing they can do about the brake dust without downgrading the brake performance. I believe you need to DIY or find an independent shop if you want cleaner wheels and at least the same braking ability your car currently has with it's factory brakes.

I can't add to this with a list of European parts for the job but they are out there, just not at the dealership.
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Old 12-29-2016, 01:39 PM
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I've never seen any EVIDENCE the OE rotors differ from OEMs...ate, BALO, zimmerman

I've never seen data saying they perform differently, have different characteristics, wear differentl, or longer, or warm less.... If they have 'high carbon content' (how is this knowable??) then what is the benefit? Not theoretic but actually demonstrable benefits.

Are you really saying the same BMW, one with OE pads and rotors, the other with OE pads and ATE, Pagid, Balo or Zimmerman rotors will have less braking 'performance'??


(and Im not being a dick here, just trying to break through the mystique around "OE" parts. So many people read content like this, and just shrug, say 'well maybe OE is worth it- someone on the internet said some stuff that sounds like there might be a benefit- I'll spend the extra $200")

Finally, if there IS proof OE rotors are superior, I may need to rethink MY choices!

First, some rotors might be better, for example Brembo Sport rotors. Some might be worse (I do not trust Myle at all). Zimmerman? I had them several times on Skoda Octavia, Lancia Lybra and Alfa Romeo, they oxidate fastest of all replacement rotors. Brembo for example does not oxidate almost at all in first week. So there s difference in materials between these manufacturers. I actually managed to warp Zimmerman once on Octavia with 105hp going downhill and overwhelming brakes (I was pushing car downhill) and then entering pile of water.
Of all rotors I have ever used, closest to OEM or same were ATE and their pads. But ATE is largest brake component supplier in Germany, so it is high probability that you already have their components as OEM.
Of all rotors that I used, biggest improvement is Brembo. They do not fade as easy, they do not oxidate easily.
To be clear, all these choices are good choices, actually great choices. It would be great f all owners were buying these parts and not Wagner or Duralast and similar crap.
However, you know my take on Akebono. Those are IMO pads are by far the worst I have ever bought in my life (performance wise).

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Old 01-09-2017, 03:59 PM
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I am on the same boat as the OP. my 09/48i needs front brakes. Thinking of going with a stage 2 kit by oembimmerparts.com
Contents are :

Qty 2 Front Brake Rotors By Zimmermann / Brembo W/ Corrosion coating Part# 34 11 6 793 245 or Part# 34 11 6 793 244
Qty 1 Front Ceramic Pad Set By Brembo Part# 34 11 6 852 253
Qty 1 Front Pad Sensor

anybody have experience with this or a similar kit? Reading this thread top to bottom, this kit has a decent brand appeal. I have never used ceramic pads before. any advice on its stopping power compared to the stock ? Thanks guys

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Old 01-09-2017, 06:31 PM
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I ordered few days ago front and rear Textar pads and front Brembo rotors.
Not into ceramic BS.
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Old 01-10-2017, 02:18 PM
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I ordered few days ago front and rear Textar pads and front Brembo rotors.
Not into ceramic BS.
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