Welcome to Bimmerfest -- The #1 Online Community for BMW related information! Please enjoy the discussion forums below and share your experiences with the 200,000 current, new and past BMW owners. The forums are broken out by car model and into other special interest sections such as BMW European Delivery and a special forum to voice your questions to the many BMW dealers on the site to assist our members!

Please follow the links below to help get you started!

Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > 6 Series > E63 / E64 6 Series (2003 - 2013)

E63 / E64 6 Series (2003 - 2013)
The E63/E64 BMW 6 Series builds on BMW's sporty heritage with aggressive lines and an incredible motor to back the design up. Available in coupe and convertible trims with a standard 4.8 liter engine producing 360 horsepower and 360 lb-ft of torque, the 6-series is a popular choice that exceeds expectations.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-12-2012, 01:34 PM
amennrahh's Avatar
amennrahh amennrahh is offline
BM6er
Location: OCONUS
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 218
Mein Auto: 2005 BMW 645ci
6 Series LS1 Swap

I was just looking through a few issues of Performance BMW magazine and ran across a few bimmers with the LSx swap. I was wondering if it has been attempted on the 6 series.....just thinking outside of the box.
__________________
SEMPER FIDELIS
Reply With Quote
Advertisement
  #2  
Old 10-12-2012, 07:07 PM
HerbP HerbP is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Georgia
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,776
Mein Auto: 2005 645Ci & 2007 750Li
People are putting LSx engines in everything. The engines are just simply awesome, with power to spare. You would probably have to do a lot of custom parts for the install. The hardest part would probably be interfacing the computer models to work with each other. A M6 would probably be a lot cheaper in the long run. I helped a friend install a LS2 that I had bought for my 82 Corvette, but decided at the time not to install it due to my back. The wiring to the jeep was fairly simple, once you figured out what wires went to what. A painless wiring harness would be money well spent for the install.

Good luck if you decide to go this route!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-13-2012, 10:08 AM
amennrahh's Avatar
amennrahh amennrahh is offline
BM6er
Location: OCONUS
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 218
Mein Auto: 2005 BMW 645ci
Yes I love the idea of the LSx platform. I am a former GM Mechanic and I was under the hood of my 6er...im sure that the fittament is there, however (as you stated) the electronic interfaces would be a huge challenge. I do love the idea of upgrading to an M6 but I would prefer the reliability and cost effectivenss of the LSx over the V10 of the M6.
__________________
SEMPER FIDELIS
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-13-2012, 12:55 PM
tampamark tampamark is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: tampa fl
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 2,916
Mein Auto: 2006 650 convertible!!!
The s85 v10 engine in the m6 is not problematic, matter of fact they are pretty solid. It is the smg and all the 650 shared electrical components that are an issue.

Sent from my SCH-I510 using Bimmer App
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-17-2012, 02:51 PM
albertoxikitin albertoxikitin is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: spain
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 481
Mein Auto: bmw e63
I would like to install M6 engine on my 645 but im afraid something goes wrong...it has to be difficult to do.....
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-17-2012, 08:38 PM
Yorgi's Avatar
Yorgi Yorgi is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Toronto
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,650
Mein Auto: '04 M3 / '06 650i Cab
Quote:
Originally Posted by albertoxikitin View Post
I would like to install M6 engine on my 645 but im afraid something goes wrong...it has to be difficult to do.....
Unless you want a total sleeper car, it would cost a lot less to sell the 645 and buy an M6. You can transfer over most of your mods to the M6.
__________________
Straight lines are for fast cars...turns are for fast drivers
'04 M3 - track
'06 650i Cab - daily driver
'02 Highlander - kid hauler
'01 330Ci - winter beater

Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-22-2012, 09:21 AM
GForza GForza is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: AZ
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 151
Mein Auto: 650 Vert
The LSX platform has a lot of appeal, but the s85 v10 engine in the M5/6 makes plenty of hp and is very reliable. Plus if you're driving an euro car you want it to scream like an F1 exotic. The BMW V10 motor with aftermarket exhaust is music to my ears
__________________
2009 650i vert – Triple Black | Sport Package| Work in progress
2008 M5 – Silverstone | Black Dakota leather | SMG | Every Option | Gone
2004 Radical SR3 - 2 Championships | 22 Wins | 40 Podiums | For Sale
2004 645Ci vert – Triple Black | Sport Package| Every Option | Gone
1995 Ferrari 348 Spider – Triple Black | 18” Speedlines | Tubi Exhaust | Gone
1987 Porsche 930 Slant Nose- Triple Black | Ruf wheels & Exhaust | Gone
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-23-2012, 02:36 AM
amennrahh's Avatar
amennrahh amennrahh is offline
BM6er
Location: OCONUS
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 218
Mein Auto: 2005 BMW 645ci
Quote:
Originally Posted by GForza View Post
The LSX platform has a lot of appeal, but the s85 v10 engine in the M5/6 makes plenty of hp and is very reliable. Plus if you're driving an euro car you want it to scream like an F1 exotic. The BMW V10 motor with aftermarket exhaust is music to my ears
Yeah, I have reviewed the specs on the M6.....definitely time to trade up.
__________________
SEMPER FIDELIS
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-23-2012, 07:34 AM
tampamark tampamark is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: tampa fl
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 2,916
Mein Auto: 2006 650 convertible!!!
You promised me you would get the supercharger!!!

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...8&postcount=12

LOL just busting your chops, I understand the need for speed and the upgrade bug. I took a test ride in an M6 and it was a sweet car. But if you read on the M6 board you will find that it is heavy and a 0-60 pig. Many are surprised to find that they are getting beat at a stoplight by other equal or lesser cars.

I love the statement though, "wait until you hit 80mph, you will smoke him". It seems that the M6 is unbeatable at highway speeds. Too bad the rest of the world lives and breathes 0-60...
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-23-2012, 08:07 AM
pablo645's Avatar
pablo645 pablo645 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: NY
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,918
Mein Auto: 650i Convertible
It's time 6er owners stop trying to race their GT from a standstill. Even a Honda will smoke you from a stop and go scenario. These cars are not built for that but for Autobhan runs. If you need that 0-60 performance you are in the wrong car. The M6 is a beast but it's true power is on the long stretch. This is one of the reasons when I was shopping and test drove the M6, I felt it was too much power and not being able to do anything with it. NY is not built for it so until when I move to another place where I have more open roads, I will stick to cruising.
__________________
2012 650-xDrive Convertible. Titanium Silver Metallic - M Package - Driver assist package- Cold weather package - luxury seating package - Bang & Oulfsen system.

Previous Cars:
2008 650 Convertible 6 speed manual
2004 645 Convertible 6 speed manual
1994 540 6 speed manual
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-23-2012, 08:12 AM
amennrahh's Avatar
amennrahh amennrahh is offline
BM6er
Location: OCONUS
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 218
Mein Auto: 2005 BMW 645ci
Lol@tampamark. It's funny that you may mention that. I was just a click away from purchasing the supercharger when it hit me: MORE HORSEPOWER! Lol I'm pretty greedy whenever it comes to building cars so I know that I would probably end up tearing into the current engine for more horses. After doing a bit of research, I determined that there is just not enough aftermarket support for the N62 engine. Although the M6 is a whale in terms of weight measurement, GPower makes a bi-supercharger system the would cure that 0-60 time reduction.

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Bimmer App
__________________
SEMPER FIDELIS
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-23-2012, 08:56 AM
tampamark tampamark is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: tampa fl
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 2,916
Mein Auto: 2006 650 convertible!!!
Money cures all! At least in the case of gpower. You should look at the nitrous thread that USAF has started on the m6 section of the m5board.com. Seems that the same progressive controller wet nitrous system could benefit the 6. For $5000 or so.

That and a custom geared differential with lsd and I think you would be rocking. Another $3500 or so installed.

Sent from my SCH-I510 using Bimmer App
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-23-2012, 05:36 PM
GForza GForza is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: AZ
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 151
Mein Auto: 650 Vert
amennrahh, if you have driven an M6 then you know what you're getting into.

The advice above is correct (no torque), in my m5 I get beat off the line by all the SUVs LOL, its fustrating that I have to really get on it.....to get going. Once you're mid way through the rpms in 2nd gear, few can hang with u!!

The smg is way more temperament than an automatic, so you lose some of that luxury feel. Is does shift like an F1 Beast.
__________________
2009 650i vert – Triple Black | Sport Package| Work in progress
2008 M5 – Silverstone | Black Dakota leather | SMG | Every Option | Gone
2004 Radical SR3 - 2 Championships | 22 Wins | 40 Podiums | For Sale
2004 645Ci vert – Triple Black | Sport Package| Every Option | Gone
1995 Ferrari 348 Spider – Triple Black | 18” Speedlines | Tubi Exhaust | Gone
1987 Porsche 930 Slant Nose- Triple Black | Ruf wheels & Exhaust | Gone
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-23-2012, 10:23 PM
amennrahh's Avatar
amennrahh amennrahh is offline
BM6er
Location: OCONUS
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 218
Mein Auto: 2005 BMW 645ci
Quote:
Originally Posted by GForza View Post
amennrahh, if you have driven an M6 then you know what you're getting into.

The advice above is correct (no torque), in my m5 I get beat off the line by all the SUVs LOL, its fustrating that I have to really get on it.....to get going. Once you're mid way through the rpms in 2nd gear, few can hang with u!!

The smg is way more temperament than an automatic, so you lose some of that luxury feel. Is does shift like an F1 Beast.
GForza, yes I did have the opportunity to drive the M6 which is why my original idea of installing an LSx engine came to fruition. The lower torque curve on the LSx engine is just so much more desirable than the V10. I know that someone mentioned that this is a GT vehicle and we need to just utilize these vehicles as crusiers, well I do remember that the honda civic was nothing more than a gas efficient compact and the TT Supra was also classified as a GT.....have you seen some of the ETs on those vehicles lately? lol
__________________
SEMPER FIDELIS
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-24-2012, 07:07 AM
GForza GForza is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: AZ
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 151
Mein Auto: 650 Vert
amennrahh, the changes to the new M6/M5 sends a clear signal:

"the fifth-generation M5 will have a downsized, turbocharged V-8 that is shared with the X5 M and X6 M. But the move from a 5.0-liter V-10 to a 4.4-liter, twin-turbo V-8 results in a power increase from 500 horsepower to more than 555 (some sources place the number closer to 600). Torque will jump from today’s 383 pound-feet to a more shovetastic 500. The new engine is not only more powerful than the 5.0-liter V-10, it is also more fuel efficient.

Gone is the clunky-shifting, single-clutch seven-speed automated manual that (SMG), while trackworthy, was less than impressive during commuting. A dual-clutch seven-speed gearbox, similar to the M DCT system in the M3, should smooth shifts considerably. No word on the continuation of the optional six-speed manual from the current car.

When the M5 arrives next spring, expect to pay nearly $100,000 for the privilege of owning one".

The changes suggest that BMW believes their customers want a car that drives more like an AMG.....regardless...it sounds FUN haha

Semper Fi
__________________
2009 650i vert – Triple Black | Sport Package| Work in progress
2008 M5 – Silverstone | Black Dakota leather | SMG | Every Option | Gone
2004 Radical SR3 - 2 Championships | 22 Wins | 40 Podiums | For Sale
2004 645Ci vert – Triple Black | Sport Package| Every Option | Gone
1995 Ferrari 348 Spider – Triple Black | 18” Speedlines | Tubi Exhaust | Gone
1987 Porsche 930 Slant Nose- Triple Black | Ruf wheels & Exhaust | Gone
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 10-24-2012, 08:10 AM
tampamark tampamark is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: tampa fl
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 2,916
Mein Auto: 2006 650 convertible!!!
You are correct, all the lower end deficiencies in both the 6 and the M6 are gone in the new F platforms, the new tranny on the 6 is awesome also. It feels WAY better off the line than the current 6, and the reports from those on the M board say that the new M6 is fantastic from a standstill.

Unfortunately this doesn't fix the current models, it is too bad since Audi and Mercedes figured out that people want GT sedans that rip from a stop. With proper differential and tranny it could have been a reality, the engineers just missed the mark on that.

Regardless I love my 6.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Forum Navigation
Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > 6 Series > E63 / E64 6 Series (2003 - 2013)
Today's Posts Search
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:50 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2001-2011 performanceIX, Inc. All Rights Reserved .: guidelines .:. privacy .:. terms