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Old 10-18-2012, 09:10 AM
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I think he would be much happier with a WRX or Lancer Evo.
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:12 AM
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I'm suprised this troll got 10 pages out of people here,lol. If he is not a troll he is one of those dumb people that gets talked into buying things they dont want. There is a lady at my job that got talked into buying a 20K used 2010 Hyundia Sonato (its probably worth 10K...). She doesn't even like that car but somehow they talked her into it.

The things he is complaining about would easily be caught on a test drive. If you dont like it, dont buy it.... Everyone has different taste. I test drove a no line and a sport line 328i w/ Manual. The sport felt a world different. However, the 335 was even better. I'm personally still in the process of deciding between a 335xi Sport or S4 Quattro. I LOVE the S4 and like the 335. I am not sure love is worth 8k more though....
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:16 AM
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328i2013, I'm going to take your complaints at face value and try to give you feedback without sarcasm or irony.

Looking at the BMW 3 series, no option is going to magically make it feel like a small hatchback. None of its competitors will, either. It's a bigger car and the laws of physics aren't just suggestions. The 704 sport suspension and adaptive m equipped models will corner better, models optioned with wider wheels & summer tires will corner better, but this is probably not going to be that glaringly obvious in the typical short test drive loop.

The 335i will have more power, obviously, and the low-end torque is pretty stunning, which contributes the feel of hard acceleration. You also hear the engine more, and it sounds better.

To throw in a curveball, xDrive models will feel like they accelerate faster...because they do (the 0-60 times are fractionally faster.) AWD cars just feel faster at low speeds. I've owned a WRX and an A4 Quattro and they pull harder at low speed than the power to weight ratio suggests vs RWD because the power goes straight to the ground without wheel spin 99% of the time. If I was racing on a dry track I'd want RWD generally, but I'm mainly talking about feel when driving out in the real world here.

To continue killing the baseball analogy , let me throw a knuckle-ball - maybe you really should test drive an Evo X or STI. That gets you 4 doors with a lot more raw performance feel than any BMW (or Merc or Audi or Cadillac or Lexus or Acura or...). Yeah, it's a badge downgrade or whatever, but if your other car is going to be a Porsche I don't think you need to sweat that.

For what it's worth, my one do-it-all car choice was a 2013 335i xDrive with 6MT and ZDH.
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:20 AM
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For what it's worth, my one do-it-all car choice was a 2013 335i xDrive with 6MT and
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Well put and VERY nice choice for an all around fun daily driver!
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JUST got back from test driving a MT Sportsline 328i. You guys have gotta be kidding yourself if you think that performs that much better than a no-line. Like, seriously kidding. It's a bit stiffer and maybe handles a bit better but in no way, shape or form does it feel or act faster.

Next, I'm trying to find a M-sport to test drive.
When you say faster, you mean like straight line? If a 5.5 sec 0-60 car feels slow to you, you need to get a Mustang GT500 or something.
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:42 AM
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When you say faster, you mean like straight line? If a 5.5 sec 0-60 car feels slow to you, you need to get a Mustang GT500 or something.
He might be talking about FEEL. The 328 doens't feel fast eventhough it is. The 328 doesn't have a lot of theatrics to make it feel fast. Its a refined automobile.

Anyone that thinks a LARGER SEDAN is going to drive like a MINI is not a bright person.

BTW ~ These test drives you are doing now...should have been done before you bought the car.
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:52 AM
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He might be talking about FEEL. The 328 doens't feel fast eventhough it is. The 328 doesn't have a lot of theatrics to make it feel fast. Its a refined automobile.

Anyone that thinks a LARGER SEDAN is going to drive like a MINI is not a bright person.

BTW ~ These test drives you are doing now...should have been done before you bought the car.
When pushed harder the E90 feels "faster" then the F30 because the car is smaller and the chassis is moving around more.

So even though the F30 is definitely faster than the E90, he would probably enjoy driving the E90 quite a bit more.
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:57 AM
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He might be talking about FEEL. The 328 doens't feel fast eventhough it is. The 328 doesn't have a lot of theatrics to make it feel fast. Its a refined automobile.

Anyone that thinks a LARGER SEDAN is going to drive like a MINI is not a bright person.

BTW ~ These test drives you are doing now...should have been done before you bought the car.
This with a side of troll. I'm surprised he's reeling them in like this. I'm fine if he doesn't like my car.
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:00 AM
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I don't know why you guys are all trying to offer suggestions to this imbecile. I've come across this personality type before, he just enjoys complaining, and in addition he's nasty to posters who've tried to help him. Waste of time trying to help him although some his replies are so ridiculous they're entertaining...
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:00 AM
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OP simply bought the wrong car. return it, take the 6k hit and chalk it up to a learning experience.
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:02 AM
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328i2013, I'm going to take your complaints at face value and try to give you feedback without sarcasm or irony.

Looking at the BMW 3 series, no option is going to magically make it feel like a small hatchback. None of its competitors will, either. It's a bigger car and the laws of physics aren't just suggestions. The 704 sport suspension and adaptive m equipped models will corner better, models optioned with wider wheels & summer tires will corner better, but this is probably not going to be that glaringly obvious in the typical short test drive loop.

The 335i will have more power, obviously, and the low-end torque is pretty stunning, which contributes the feel of hard acceleration. You also hear the engine more, and it sounds better.

To throw in a curveball, xDrive models will feel like they accelerate faster...because they do (the 0-60 times are fractionally faster.) AWD cars just feel faster at low speeds. I've owned a WRX and an A4 Quattro and they pull harder at low speed than the power to weight ratio suggests vs RWD because the power goes straight to the ground without wheel spin 99% of the time. If I was racing on a dry track I'd want RWD generally, but I'm mainly talking about feel when driving out in the real world here.

To continue killing the baseball analogy , let me throw a knuckle-ball - maybe you really should test drive an Evo X or STI. That gets you 4 doors with a lot more raw performance feel than any BMW (or Merc or Audi or Cadillac or Lexus or Acura or...). Yeah, it's a badge downgrade or whatever, but if your other car is going to be a Porsche I don't think you need to sweat that.

For what it's worth, my one do-it-all car choice was a 2013 335i xDrive with 6MT and ZDH.
Very well put (it's pretty much what I wanted to say), but once again I feel someone else (in this case you) said it better.
He just didn't choose the right car type, and not surprisingly got disapointed.
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:03 AM
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I'll be brief with the advice. Return it. Get a second-hand M3.
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:49 AM
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I can't believe this hasn't been said yet but...

What you really want is a Fiat 500 ABARTH. This is the ultimate go-kart tailored just for you. Just think what you can do with a few bolt-ons, coilovers, and whatever else you can waste your money on.



Whats not to like. Its like your mini cooper all over again.
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Old 10-18-2012, 12:53 PM
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It's all relative. My old car has 184 hp and new one has 242. As for torque old car has 175 and new one has 258. That's 32% more hp and 47% more torque. Sure a 335i even has more, but from what I was coming from to what I have now is a world of difference.

Just keep it real!!!
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Old 10-18-2012, 01:38 PM
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It's all relative. My old car has 184 hp and new one has 242. As for torque old car has 175 and new one has 258. That's 32% more hp and 47% more torque. Sure a 335i even has more, but from what I was coming from to what I have now is a world of difference.

Just keep it real!!!
Agree.


But I think the F30 is too effortless and composed for the OP. What the OP wants is to feel like he's right on the edge, engine screaming, tires squealing, chassis flexing, wheel jerking etc., regardless whether he's going as fast as the F30 or not.
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:28 PM
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BMW didn't abandon the 3 Series. They just changed it.
And they should have improved it instead of just changing it.

BMW messed with the steering/handling and now we hear reports that a ATS is funnier and a better handler.

Worse, the N20. It looks like they left the fun out of the equation. All techno but it is nowhere as much fun to hear/exploit as the M54 was.
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And they should have improved it instead of just changing it.

BMW messed with the steering/handling and now we hear reports that a ATS is funnier and a better handler.

Worse, the N20. It looks like they left the fun out of the equation. All techno but it is nowhere as much fun to hear/exploit as the M54 was.
Funnier looking is right, inside and out. I would have probably test driven the ATS if it was out when I was looking, but I'm not sure I could ever give in to that god-awful Cadillac interior. Yuck.
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328i2013, I'm going to take your complaints at face value and try to give you feedback without sarcasm or irony.

Looking at the BMW 3 series, no option is going to magically make it feel like a small hatchback. None of its competitors will, either. It's a bigger car and the laws of physics aren't just suggestions. The 704 sport suspension and adaptive m equipped models will corner better, models optioned with wider wheels & summer tires will corner better, but this is probably not going to be that glaringly obvious in the typical short test drive loop.

The 335i will have more power, obviously, and the low-end torque is pretty stunning, which contributes the feel of hard acceleration. You also hear the engine more, and it sounds better.

To throw in a curveball, xDrive models will feel like they accelerate faster...because they do (the 0-60 times are fractionally faster.) AWD cars just feel faster at low speeds. I've owned a WRX and an A4 Quattro and they pull harder at low speed than the power to weight ratio suggests vs RWD because the power goes straight to the ground without wheel spin 99% of the time. If I was racing on a dry track I'd want RWD generally, but I'm mainly talking about feel when driving out in the real world here.

To continue killing the baseball analogy , let me throw a knuckle-ball - maybe you really should test drive an Evo X or STI. That gets you 4 doors with a lot more raw performance feel than any BMW (or Merc or Audi or Cadillac or Lexus or Acura or...). Yeah, it's a badge downgrade or whatever, but if your other car is going to be a Porsche I don't think you need to sweat that.

For what it's worth, my one do-it-all car choice was a 2013 335i xDrive with 6MT and ZDH.
Let me start by thanking you for not simply brushing me off as a troll.

I have actually started test driving other cars. Drove the 328i sportsline this am - unimpressed. Just got back from driving an A4 - even less impressed. Next I'm looking for a 335 to test drive cuz it looks like the 328i M-sport isn't going to provide what I'm looking for.

I just don't see what these guys here see wrong about expecting more from even an entry model BMW. After all, IT IS a BMW and not a Toyota.
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When you say faster, you mean like straight line? If a 5.5 sec 0-60 car feels slow to you, you need to get a Mustang GT500 or something.
When I say "faster" i'm really looking for suburban speeds in short streets, before I get to the turn. I can only imagine what a GT500 would do but a hot rod-ish car isn't my style.
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He might be talking about FEEL. The 328 doens't feel fast eventhough it is. The 328 doesn't have a lot of theatrics to make it feel fast. Its a refined automobile.

Anyone that thinks a LARGER SEDAN is going to drive like a MINI is not a bright person.

BTW ~ These test drives you are doing now...should have been done before you bought the car.
Yes, I made the mistake of not test driving enough before buying. Another mistake I made was I test drove the AT. And maybe I expected much more from the MT. I honestly think I was razzle-dazzled by the exterior and interior looks of the 328i AT that I test drove 2x. And it took me like 3ish days of driving my 328i that I realized what I overlooked during test drives.

And at this stage, it's not even a comparison with my Cooper S (which some folks here need to get out of their head)
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OP simply bought the wrong car. return it, take the 6k hit and chalk it up to a learning experience.
Yea, that's what I'm trying to do now. Maybe my car will develop steering wheel vibration like you and then I can upgrade to the right car like you did. LOL
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Let me start by thanking you for not simply brushing me off as a troll.

I have actually started test driving other cars. Drove the 328i sportsline this am - unimpressed. Just got back from driving an A4 - even less impressed. Next I'm looking for a 335 to test drive cuz it looks like the 328i M-sport isn't going to provide what I'm looking for.

I just don't see what these guys here see wrong about expecting more from even an entry model BMW. After all, IT IS a BMW and not a Toyota.
You're driving the wrong kind of cars for what it sounds like you want.
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Let me start by thanking you for not simply brushing me off as a troll.

I have actually started test driving other cars. Drove the 328i sportsline this am - unimpressed. Just got back from driving an A4 - even less impressed. Next I'm looking for a 335 to test drive cuz it looks like the 328i M-sport isn't going to provide what I'm looking for.

I just don't see what these guys here see wrong about expecting more from even an entry model BMW. After all, IT IS a BMW and not a Toyota.
I swear I am not a grammar nazi but I find it disturbing when a grown man who can afford a $50,000 car writes "cuz" in place of "because". Its not that much harder to write out "because". Not to mention you've been using "cuz" for both "because" and "cousin".

ok I'm done.

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Great thread, I think all car owners should ready it though because it points out a very human traits. Comparability, perfectionism, and regret/second guessing.

In the Audio and Video industry these traits are what allow there to be 100+ speaker companies and dozens of display companies.

To relate in audio/video. someone wants 'the best audio and video out there' for a home theater but you can't exactly ask them what frequency range of audio they can hear with their specific ears, what ranges they don't hear as well, how much bass energy they want, let along getting into video for contrast ratio, lumens, screen size, color temperature preference and so on. Some people prefer bass heavy, other mid level heavy, and others have lost hearing in upper frequency range and like speakers that have stronger higher frequency response. Cars are also much harder to "blind test" or even do A/B comparisons. And when someone picks something they didn't exactly want it's easier to have buyers remorse.

For someone who's not brand loyal, doesn't know what they actually want when evaluating (or doesn't know what to test or look for, aka doesn't have the right road, or I mean video demo clip that they normally like, it's a risk game. Someone might buy a 480hz TV because video is smoother but when they watch their favorite film that's 24hz the film looks fake (ie it's pretty obvious the camera is being shaken by a guy and not a real explosion).

The more facts you try to compare, the more likely you'll hate anything you end up with because you're not comparing pro's, you're now comparing cons because no vehicle is perfect and you will remember what you are missing, unless you fall in love enough with your car and let it's cons fade.

I come from a background somewhat like the OP, lighter weight and more perky. Any time you increase the weight of a car by even a few hundred lb's, even if it's the same power to weight ratio, the car won't feel the same.

A BMW will never handle like a Mini IMO and lets just face it now and if you can't put that behind then you need to stick with mini sized/weight cars and avoid bigger cars. I for one wish everyone drove smaller cars so I could stick with A3/Golf/Mini/Fiat sized cars. Actually I'd love my 'driving' car to be an Ariel Atom (and I can promise you if that was my driving car no BMW or anything except a sub 1500lb car with 200+ horsepower would ever be able to 'replace it equally in driving thrill' in the future). My wife thought my smaller car was not safe for a family and said I could never put kids in it, and she also didn't like how it felt to go around corners in it with me driving (but her car could corner faster AND accelerate faster but you didn't feel like you were on the edge of safety which honestly is where I find driving thrilling) so I gave in to that requirement. Gone in my life is driving smaller go-kart cars and feeling like I'm pushing the car to its limits. Choosing between a i4tt and i6tt is tough.

MPG, HP, torque, reliability, and transmissions are all different and it's hard to compare the two like apples, it's almost apples and oranges. Now add the various suspensions, number of people in your car, the type of roads you're driving now vs the test drive. It's crazy. And if this was a pretty penny for you and you got it wrong, it sucks.

But lets be honest, the 3 series is a good car for what it does. It's not perfect but it does a lot of things right. If you really miss your old car, just realize it won't last forever and that I agree is tough to deal with, it's like a pet who passed away. If you feel there's another car that fits you better, go test drive it if you _have_ to but I'd comment that it might only make things worse. Move on if you can and enjoy your current car. If you can't sleep after a few years maybe trade in your car, (dunno, $5k loss) and get another Mini, or you can do it sooner.

But also remember, there will always be another car that is faster than yours, feels less 'boat' like, corners faster, gets better MPG, looks cooler, has the newer X feature but if you can build an emotional attachment to this car and realize feature Y that is has is worth the 'boat' feeling then move on and remember that.

-- This is advice A/V people give for anyone who's stuck on picking which equipment to buy. And if they save money, take your spouse on a fun date and do something you've always wanted to do with some of the money you saved. Life's too short to get stuck on realizing no A/V equipment car is perfect for you.
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When I say "faster" i'm really looking for suburban speeds in short streets, before I get to the turn. I can only imagine what a GT500 would do but a hot rod-ish car isn't my style.
I don't even know what this means.
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