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No, why? The N20 is a great car. I haven't even driven a F30 335 yet. Owned 2 N54 e90's and loved both of them. Figured i would give the N55 a try this time.

have you ever driven the N54? It was a beast. Probably putting down 330+ horses and torque
Read post #124 that explains it in full Good luck
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:55 AM
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Read post #124 that explains it in full Good luck
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Like i said, i have yet to drive a N55 F30. Looking forward to it though.
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sorry I don't agree Mike, the current wheel/tire combo is simply not sufficient for the F30 IMO. And because the base syspenssion is setup more for comfort than sport a more wheel/tire combo should help. Plus he should go non-runflat. that is an improvement right there.
When going the with non-runflats route, does anything special has to be done in regards to TPMS? pardon my ignorance.
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:59 AM
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When going the with non-runflats route, does anything special has to be done in regards to TPMS? pardon my ignorance.
No not if you use the orginal wheels.
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Like i said, i have yet to drive a N55 F30. Looking forward to it though.
After putting 8,000 + miles and enjoying every one of them and even enjoying the 335i more after I deleted the distracting compass and moved the head rest flush to the seat backs I'm very sure you will enjoy your 335 . Good luck
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sorry I don't agree Mike, the current wheel/tire combo is simply not sufficient for the F30 IMO. And because the base syspenssion is setup more for comfort than sport a more wheel/tire combo should help. Plus he should go non-runflat. that is an improvement right there.
I misspoke regarding the handling element of larger wheels but this article shows that 17" and 18" wheels are the sweetspot for handling, acceleration, braking and comfort. You are correct to suggest non-RFT's. In addition if he is looking for maximum grip and doesn't worry about tire life, a summer compound is the way to go.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...d-tires-tested
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The OP sounds like the sort of person who just loves to complain and enjoys the reactions his complaints get. Seriously how can he come from a mini and complain the F30 N20 is slow??? I could understand if he was coming from a Porsche or something...

Hope he doesn't have the same thoughts after his new baby arrives.
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The OP sounds like the sort of person who just loves to complain and enjoys the reactions his complaints get. Seriously how can he come from a mini and complain the F30 N20 is slow??? I could understand if he was coming from a Porsche or something...

Hope he doesn't have the same thoughts after his new baby arrives...
You sir are rude. It pained me to start this thread. And I meant every word I said. No pleasure in calling a car on which I just spent $40K, underwhelming or a boat. You don't have to agree. Maybe you have lower expectations. But you still don't have to be rude.
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"My Son Is An Underwhelming Daughter"

"Where is this penis thing located? All I see are flaps and a hole?"

"My Mini Cooper handled better than this Britax"

Heaven help them over at the Babycenter forums.

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You have crossed a line here. You would not have the balls to say this in person, I can guarantee you that.
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:49 PM
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You have crossed a line here. You would not have the balls to say this in person, I can guarantee you that.
Just ignore mate. Not worth the aggravation. Hope you find a way to grow into the car and liking it better.
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No not if you use the orginal wheels.
Thank you for the info. Guess I will be switching to non-runflat when car gets here.
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Just ignore mate. Not worth the aggravation. Hope you find a way to grow into the car and liking it better.
Thanks man. Its unfortunate that there is no easy way to keep scums out such forums.
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:53 PM
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Thanks man. Its unfortunate that there is no easy way to keep scums out such forums.
This is our culture we all live in that the internet helped shape.
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Thankfully, this forum has been quite useful in ordering.
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:19 PM
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Thanks man. Its unfortunate that there is no easy way to keep scums out such forums.
To be fair, you did ask a fairly large number of questions before buying and that same "scum" was rather patient in answering questions. You came from a mini cooper to a sedan. Didn't get a single sport option (6MT debatable), and you are calling the car a boat.

It does beg the question, did you really test drive it, or are you just wishing for something which doesn't exist. It sounds to me like you should be in a WRX or something similar. Tons of power, go kart handling, and four doors. You lose a TON of refinement, but you don't seem to care about that. You should cut your losses while the car is worth something...

My suggestion would have been (had you really vocalized your desire for a very very sporty ride) to find a CPO sport package 335i. 2009 is a good year. You get the beastly N54 in the mid life refresh of the E90. They can easily be found for the low 30s.

I certainly understand the pain, especially since we shared an entire thread waiting for our cars to arrive, but I think you just missed the mark on your vehicle purchase.
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:25 PM
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You are absolutely right about my reason to transition away from the Cooper.

However, you have to be kidding yourself when you think that these so called options are going to make the car perform that much better. None of these are engine enhancements. Some of them might improve handling, but that's not much of a concern for me. It's the ponies. PONIES. This car is too big for just 240HP
I'm surprised to hear you say this, since every indication I can find is that (in a straight line) the 328i with the N20 is faster than a MINI Cooper S.

Evidence:
R&T 328i test #1: http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezfl...379fc843fb.pdf
0-60 : 5.4 sec
1/4 mi : 14.2 sec @ 98.5 mph

R&T 328i test #2:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/content/...Sport_data.pdf
0-60 : 5.4 sec
1/4 mi : 13.9 sec @ 99.5 mph

R&T 2007 MINI Cooper S test:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/content/...n-2.0_data.pdf
0-60 : 6.4 sec
1/4 mi : 15.0 sec @ 92.6 mph

R&T 2006 MINI Cooper S test:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/content/...2.0-T_data.pdf
0-60 : 6.3 sec
1/4 mi : 14.9 sec @ 95.6 mph

I haven't driven a MINI but that is a significant advantage to the BMW. Enough so that nearly anybody going from the BMW to the MINI would think the MINI is quite the dog. I know magazine bench racing is not real world racing, and real world racing is not daily driving, but I'm utterly confused how a car that tests significantly faster than you MINI can be considered underwhelmingly power...?
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I think the point that no one complains that their 335 is "too fast" or "guzzles too much gas" is well made. It sounds like the OP really wanted a car that performs like a 335 even if he didn't know it yet, and got a 328. Even if as many have said the 328 is a great car and a big step up from the old 3.0 328, it still won't have the muscle of a 335. The 3 series in a 328 is a very different animal than a 335. You need to know what you want going in. The OP said he may want a Boxster next year. The 13's are sweet. However there is a world of difference between the base and the S model.
For now it looks to me like the OP has 3 choices
1 Learn to live with it as is
2 Sell it, take the hit and move on
3 Keep it and, as Jon first said, mod it to get it to where he wants it.

When I look at buying a car I always start out looking at the strongest motor I can get/afford in the car I like. If it works for me, I go on to the other options that are deal breakers for me. MT and sport pkg. If any one of the 3 are not what I want I move on to a different car. For example if it were me (just me, no one else, not an insult to anyones car) if I couldn't get a 335 I would move on to something else. If it were a money issue, I'd go with a V8 Mustang or maybe a G37. If it was that BMW has screwed this up and I can't get one for what ever reason, I'd look at a Boxster S or a Corvette. You have to know what matters to you in a car going in.
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I haven't driven a MINI but that is a significant advantage to the BMW. Enough so that nearly anybody going from the BMW to the MINI would think the MINI is quite the dog. I know magazine bench racing is not real world racing, and real world racing is not daily driving, but I'm utterly confused how a car that tests significantly faster than you MINI can be considered underwhelmingly power...?
Having come from a Civic Si I understand how it can feel faster. The 328 is a full second faster to 60 than my Civic, but the Si still felt faster at times. It handled like it was on rails, and had a 8400 rpm fuel cutoff. It also had two cam profiles which, one which kicked in at 5800 rpms and gave the car a really visceral sound. Factor in all the extra "noise" you get from a cheaper car, and you start to understand.

The 328i by comparison is faster, but it goes about it differently. For me with the sport auto, you just push the gas and you are at 90 without even thinking about it. Only indication is the speedometer (and the silly grin on my face).
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Not only is the 328i noticeably faster than a Mini Cooper S, it also returns better skid pad numbers too... .90 for the F30 vs .87 for the Cooper S.

Does the F30 "feel" like a bigger car? Sure it does, but it is also "faster" by nearly all measurements than a Mini S.
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0-60 time? where did that come from?

The 0-60 time is meaningless except on paper and at the drag strip. Nobody should care what their 0-60 times are. Everything I said speaks to a cars performance, handling, acceleration, braking. These are things that you by no means will hit the limit of on the street no matter what you say except maybe braking to avoid a collision. It is more than capable of spirited driving in its current stock form. Better tires always help even for just day to day driving.

His issue with the 'feel' is because he bought the wrong car. He bought a 4 door sedan when he wanted a small nimble car. Suspension upgrades and bolt-ons, aren't going to change the cars size and overall feel (from his perspective). Its still going to feel like a 'boat' compared to a much smaller car.

Again, if he truly wants to 'feel' what the car is capable of, take it to the track.
Well then maybe you and I do not disagree, but keep in mind a lot of people here try to convince the OP the F30 is sportier because of faster 0-60 time.

Also it is unlikely he would be able to push his 328i to the limit in the street, I would not suggest that even if it is possible. So short of driving to the limit, rather driving at 7/10 or 8/10 at most, the 328i will feel like a boat compared to the Mini.
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Well then maybe you and I do not disagree, but keep in mind a lot of people here try to convince the OP the F30 is sportier because of faster 0-60 time.

Also it is unlikely he would be able to push his 328i to the limit in the street, I would not suggest that even if it is possible. So short of driving to the limit, rather driving at 7/10 or 8/10 at most, the 328i will feel like a boat compared to the Mini.
Yup, which is why my advice to the OP is to either accept he bought a luxury 4 door sedan or sell it and get something else more in line with what he's looking for. Sinking money into mods is the worst advice he could follow.
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Numbers mean nothing because they aren't based on real driving situations. And they don't account for handling and feel.
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Numbers mean nothing because they aren't based on real driving situations. And they don't account for handling and feel.
Numbers mean nothing because they aren't based on your skill level behind the wheel.
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Having come from a Civic Si I understand how it can feel faster. The 328 is a full second faster to 60 than my Civic, but the Si still felt faster at times. It handled like it was on rails, and had a 8400 rpm fuel cutoff. It also had two cam profiles which, one which kicked in at 5800 rpms and gave the car a really visceral sound. Factor in all the extra "noise" you get from a cheaper car, and you start to understand.

The 328i by comparison is faster, but it goes about it differently. For me with the sport auto, you just push the gas and you are at 90 without even thinking about it. Only indication is the speedometer (and the silly grin on my face).
For what it's worth, one reason I was comfortable getting the 328i is that the acceleration felt comparable to my S2000. I'm not entirely about acceleration of course, hence the S2000 vs getting, say, a vert Vette. So maybe I just perceive acceleration differently? The 328i and S2000 do feel to have about the same amount of accelerative force according to my butt-dyno.

Unfortunately I haven't driven the two back-to-back - the 328i arrives this Saturday. Ironically, I'll be driving the S2000 at an autocross at the time so I hope to be able to pick up the 328i later that day. I was hoping to take the 328i so I can get a feel for its handling and how DSC vs DTC vs all-off vs Sport vs Sport+ compared. Oh well.

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For what it's worth, one reason I was comfortable getting the 328i is that the acceleration felt comparable to my S2000. I'm not entirely about acceleration of course, hence the S2000 vs getting, say, a vert Vette. So maybe I just perceive acceleration differently? The 328i and S2000 do feel to have about the same amount of accelerative force according to my butt-dyno.

Unfortunately I haven't driven the two back-to-back - the 328i arrives this Saturday. Ironically, I'll be driving the S2000 at an autocross at the time so I hope to be able to pick up the 328i later that day. I was hoping to take the 328i so I can get a feel for its handling and how DSC vs DTC vs all-off vs Sport vs Sport+ compared. Oh well.
I hope you are not disappointed! I don't know which S2000 you have, but if it is the old 2 liter, the acceleration may be identical by the numbers, but nothing feels the same as ringing that car to 9k+ rpms.

However, you are about to be introduced to real torque
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