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Old 07-02-2004, 07:48 AM
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New 630Ci

Well in Europe, BMW is releasing the new 630Ci this year. With a newly developed inline 6 cylinder engine with 258 hp / 300 torque. The same engine will be fitted to the 1 series and the 3 series in next years models.
0-60 speed will be around 6.5 seconds and for the cabrio model 6.9 seconds
Top speed will be 250km/h
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Old 07-02-2004, 08:31 AM
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Well in Europe, BMW is releasing the new 630Ci this year. With a newly developed inline 6 cylinder engine with 258 hp / 300 torque. The same engine will be fitted to the 1 series and the 3 series in next years models.
0-60 speed will be around 6.5 seconds and for the cabrio model 6.9 seconds
Top speed will be 250km/h
Autocar (UK) reports that this car will be called 635Ci, not 630Ci, despite the engine capacity. There will probably be space lower in the range for a 630Ci, probably for Europe only (a la 628CSi of yore).

Some of you may like to know that the new 3.0 engine has a flat torque curve from 2500 - 4500 rpm. (Same peak figure as before - 221 lb-ft.)
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Old 07-02-2004, 08:55 AM
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The new engine must be great indeed if it can propell the heavy 6er 0-60 in the same time as the current 330i. Typical BMW - the numbers don't tell the whole story.
I think in E90 application then we are looking at mid 5 seconds runs.
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Old 07-02-2004, 09:51 AM
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The 630Ci probably weighs about 3,700 lbs. About the same as the E39.

250 HP and 3,700 lbs with some creative gear ratios can easily push 6.5. The E39 530i does 60 in about 6.6-6.7?

Don't get TOO optimistic about the new E90 3.0l pushing 5.5 to 60mph. It won't happen. At best it'll do 5.9s. TRUST ME.

EDIT: 5.9s published by BMW. I'm sure with some creative clutch abuse the magazines can do better.
The current 235HP ZHP is a 5.9 car.
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Old 07-02-2004, 11:19 AM
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I'm talking about the 630Ci as it will be sold in Europe later this year... I don't think we will see this car here in the USA...
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Old 07-02-2004, 12:14 PM
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I'm talking about the 630Ci as it will be sold in Europe later this year... I don't think we will see this car here in the USA...
Probably not, in this category/price range Americans want a lazy V8. But the new 3.0 inline six will become a new standard BMW six cylinder and trickle down to 3 series and 5 series models hence the discussion. Sorry for the hijack.
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Old 07-02-2004, 12:15 PM
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Doesn't mean the E90 3.0 Valvo trim will pull the same # or better.

It's called Marketing. Why do you think that, despite weighing more, the 5 series with same engine consistenly pull the same or very nearly the same #s for the same size engine as the 3 series? BMW does not want 5 series buyers to opt out and buy the 3 series, a smaller margin car.

They'll put a 2.93 with a shorter 1st gear and 2nd gear in the E90, combined with a 6,500 RPM redline.

TRUST ME. The E90 3 series with the 3.0 Valvetronic engine will NOT pull a 5.9 or better from BMW's factory numbers.
Ok. If you say so - after all your Mr. Know-It-All...
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They should put the 3.0L in it and call it a 650i, cause then Americans might be more willing to pay all that cash for an ugly car.
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You forgot this interesting little tidbid...

The waterpump is now electric instead of mechanical.

http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/e63/5313116-1.html
So, is the general consensus that your luck is worse with BMW electrics or BMW water pump impellers?
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Doesn't mean the E90 3.0 Valvo trim will pull the same # or better.

It's called Marketing. Why do you think that, despite weighing more, the 5 series with same engine consistenly pull the same or very nearly the same #s for the same size engine as the 3 series? BMW does not want 5 series buyers to opt out and buy the 3 series, a smaller margin car.

They'll put a 2.93 with a shorter 1st gear and 2nd gear in the E90, combined with a 6,500 RPM redline.

TRUST ME. The E90 3 series with the 3.0 Valvetronic engine will NOT pull a 5.9 or better from BMW's factory numbers.
Now I remember why I hate know-it-alls.

I'll check back here when the E90 hits the roads (and constantly pulls mid-5's to 60) just to laugh at your "know-it-all" ass.
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Old 07-03-2004, 11:34 AM
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You forgot this interesting little tidbid...

The waterpump is now electric instead of mechanical.

http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/e63/5313116-1.html

Cool! Can't wait till we get all the info on the Valvetronic six.
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Old 07-04-2004, 01:37 AM
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The current 235HP ZHP is a 5.9 car.
With the introduction of the 1, BMW can afford to move the 3 up a bit in size. The new 3 will likely be bigger and heavier; and BMW's recent gearing strategies (for the 1 and the 5, anyway) seem to be more economy-oriented than before. I wouldn't expect a 258 bhp car to be significantly faster than a 330i PP. Furthermore production variation means that even a standard 330i can be squeezed to 60 mph in 5.9 seconds (Evo magazine, September 2000).

Also bear in mind that your 235 "hp" are equivalent to around 241 bhp. This is only 17 less than the 258 bhp quoted by BMW for the new engine.

And finally bear in mind the 2 mph difference between the US 0-60 mph run and the 0-62 mph (0-100 km/h) run quoted by BMW. It's only worth a few fractions of a second, but we all know how crucial that is to borderline-pointless discussions such as these .
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