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Old 10-19-2012, 12:31 PM
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Misrepresentation

Not E34 specific although it can be applied..

Feel free to discuss this nug.

http://jalopnik.com/5950408/german-c...e-lying-to-you

My 525i - 2.5L Injected straight 6
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My 528e - 2.7L eta straight six.. (aside for the 1/10th liter difference) all my cars seem spot on.
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:48 PM
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Maybe this is why there is talk of BMW getting into 2- and 4-series model numbers...
Interesting read. I never did understand the MB badging, but this gives a good idea of what it WAS.

Still seems I'm addicted to the 3-liters though

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This sounds just like a very good politician , trying to win the public !
Thanks for sharing Joe .
It's a good read
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:16 PM
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A couple of discussion points about his article:

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So why not name the pair the BMW 330i and the BMW 330ti?
Because that would denote that it's a hatchback would it not?

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AMG 63s were actually 6.2 liters
3.6L M5's were 3.5L's...'84 533i's were 3.2L's.

BMW model numbers haven't been accurate for quite a while...however, it IS getting worse...
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:28 PM
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Because that would denote that it's a hatchback would it not?
I think they meant the "ti" as in 2002tii turbos being turbo'd. no the stubby touring thingy (does it even meant 'touring?')

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3.6L M5's were 3.5L's...'84 533i's were 3.2L's.

BMW model numbers haven't been accurate for quite a while...however, it IS getting worse...
Right, i agree, as i said before with my 528 being 2.7L...
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I think they meant the "ti" as in 2002tii turbos being turbo'd. no the stubby touring thingy (does it even meant 'touring?')
2002tii=Tourismo Internationale, injected

iT=touring
Ti=compact/hatchback

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...as i said before with my 528 being 2.7L...
I thought that was part of your sig...

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2002tii=Tourismo Internationale, injected

iT=touring
Ti=compact/hatchback
fun fact! learn something new everyday...
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<-- does not care of anything BMW came out with after E39 M5.
I agree. While there have been some interesting bits...(S85, turbos, weight reductions)...BMW lost me in the very early 2000's. There isn't one WHOLE car I like since 2001-ish. The E9X M3 is close...
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Agree with all you guys. But there isn't anything I'm really interested in owning that's new. Until the new 550d came out. But that needs alot of work until I'll like it.

It's that way with everything, not just German. My conquest advertised 2.6l turbo four. It's 2.5555555555

But would a 527i really be appealing to buy. No it looks Wierd. 322, 544, 332 so on so on
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<-- does not care of anything BMW came out with after E39 M5.
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I agree. While there have been some interesting bits...(S85, turbos, weight reductions)...BMW lost me in the very early 2000's. There isn't one WHOLE car I like since 2001-ish. The E9X M3 is close...
im with you guys, if i won the lottery, BMW would not be getting any of my money. id own a brand new mercedes or Audi over a BMW. even VW and Volvo would be considered.

it actually started a lot earlier than most people realise, as far as i know the E28 525ee was the first "neue-klass" BMW to not match its actual engine (that was a 2.7L), another common example is the E36 323i which runs an M52B25
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id own a brand new mercedes or Audi over a BMW.
I don't know if I'd go that far...but I would definitely test drive a Merc...

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even VW and Volvo would be considered.
Now that's just TOO far.

On top of that, we can expect that Volvo (in the global marketplace) might just disappear altogether. Geely Manufacturing (Volvo's new owner) is projecting their money will be made in the Chinese marketplace...which means we will either see Volvo disappear globally only to be sold in China, or the quality of their vehicles to decline. I am guessing the quality goes down. Sales figures (at least in the US) indicate that Volvo hasn't MADE money since 2005.
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I don't know if I'd go that far...but I would definitely test drive a Merc...



Now that's just TOO far.

On top of that, we can expect that Volvo (in the global marketplace) might just disappear altogether. Geely Manufacturing (Volvo's new owner) is projecting their money will be made in the Chinese marketplace...which means we will either see Volvo disappear globally only to be sold in China, or the quality of their vehicles to decline. I am guessing the quality goes down. Sales figures (at least in the US) indicate that Volvo hasn't MADE money since 2005.
I doubt that very much. I believe quality will improve. This is what they will do.

1. Fire all manufacturing staff who cannot be trained to an engineer's level.
2. Train all exceptionally intelligent blue-collared staff to an engineer's level.
3. Move all manufacturing to china where high quality labour is relatively cheap.
4. Keep or raise the quality of the cars' component parts.
5. Double the salary of all the existing german engineers, car designers and 'neural' input persons and give them generous rewards for producing measureable engineering and design targets.

The final products should be cars that are around 15% cheaper but with the same or greater quality than current models.

When IBM sold its soul to Lenovo, practically everyone I knew prophesied the demise of the thinkpad and its associated models. Reality has turned out very differently.

http://news.lenovo.com/article_displ...rticle_id=1516

The chinese have learned that it takes too long to cultivate the IQ of stuff through a process of evolution. They are now making quantum leaps by cutting and pasting intelligence that already exists elsewhere and which can be purchased.

Within one generation of acquiring a world company, they would have brought up their own indigenous engineers to world standards. At that point, the expensive foreign guys will be ready to retire anyway, and no one will be hired from overseas to replace them.


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I doubt that very much. I believe quality will improve. This is what they will do.

1. Fire all manufacturing staff who cannot be trained to an engineer's level.
2. Train all exceptionally intelligent blue-collared staff to an engineer's level.
3. Move all manufacturing to china where high quality labour is relatively cheap.
4. Keep or raise the quality of the cars' component parts.
5. Double the salary of all the existing german engineers, car designers and 'neural' input persons and give them generous rewards for producing measureable engineering and design targets.

The final products should be cars that are around 15% cheaper but with the same or greater quality than current models.

When IBM sold its soul to Lenovo, practically everyone I knew prophesied the demise of the thinkpad and its associated models. Reality has turned out very differently.

http://news.lenovo.com/article_displ...rticle_id=1516

The chinese have learned that it takes too long to cultivate the IQ of stuff through a process of evolution. They are now making quantum leaps by cutting and pasting intelligence that already exists elsewhere and which can be purchased.

Within one generation of acquiring a world company, they would have brought up their own indigenous engineers to world standards. At that point, the expensive foreign guys will be ready to retire anyway, and no one will be hired from overseas to replace them.


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Oh rearry mao...

Lenovo purchased a company that already owned a superior product. Volvo isn't really anything special as a company or a car. Don't get me wrong...they have made some important cars over the years...I'm a huge fan of the 850t5r/V70t5r's and of course the ol' bricks...but Volvos are very boring...have they ever even made a car with more than 300hp?

I don't see quality going up. I do see them getting less costly to produce, but that doesn't always equate to good things. (unless you own Volvo...rofl) They (Geely) have freely admitted they plan on marketing the company heavily in China and plan on using them as government vehicles.

Take a look for youself... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geely

Looking over that list of **** cans...I HIGHLY doubt the 'luster' that Volvo's once had will be replicated by that company.

Bottom line IMO from a marketing standpoint: if the Americans can't sell a car to America...the Chinese don't stand a chance...

Plus...the LAST country I would want building my CAR would be China. There I said it.
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im with you guys, if i won the lottery, BMW would not be getting any of my money. id own a brand new mercedes or Audi over a BMW. even VW and Volvo would be considered.
Mercedes line is mainly for older folks. Audi cost too much for what they are , VW has nothing of caliber . I think you would be impressed with a v10 M5 smg trans.
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v10 M5 smg trans.


Great motor, ugly car, lame tranny...
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Great motor, ugly car, lame tranny...
And that was awesome, SMG really garbage? I mean nothing beats automatic obviously, good ol' proper manual real close second. But I heard SMG was decent and fun.
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And that was awesome, SMG really garbage? I mean nothing beats automatic obviously, good ol' proper manual real close second. But I heard SMG was decent and fun.
My own brain > shifting program.

Have you driven one? Sure...they shift fast. But I'd still rather control my own pedal and select my own gears. SMG are for people too lazy/don't know how to drive a true manual.
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Funny the Japanese have been doing it for decades ex. A 100 cc is really a 99 cc , a 50 cc is really a 49cc hmmmm :beer:

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Have you driven one? Sure...they shift fast. But I'd still rather control my own pedal and select my own gears. SMG are for people too lazy/don't know how to drive a true manual.
Right I'm with you. I would never buy one, and I havnt driven one but imo if it doesn't have a clutch pedal it isn't manual.

I can't think of an american car that off....I know there is but I can't think of any.
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