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E60 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 09-29-2012, 04:46 PM
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2010 550i Issues to Look for - Prospective Buyer..

I am looking at a 2010 550i with 33K miles. There is no service history since it is at an independent dealer. Seems to be perfect, although I thought I did notice a little drag when punching in various gears. almost like a slight turbo lag even though I know this is not a turbo engine. Is that normal? Im used to my 02 M3 which did not have that kind of slight delay. Any things I should look out for? Brakes, rotors, engine issues? etc. Any advice would be a appreciated.
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Old 09-29-2012, 06:35 PM
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That drag/delay is probably normal if the car was was not in sport mode. Does it have the Sport auto tranny? If it was in sport mode, the response would've been instant. The throttle lag in these cars in normal mode is horrible (programmed for fuel efficiency)
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Old 09-29-2012, 06:46 PM
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I am looking at a 2010 550i with 33K miles. There is no service history since it is at an independent dealer. Seems to be perfect, although I thought I did notice a little drag when punching in various gears. almost like a slight turbo lag even though I know this is not a turbo engine. Is that normal? Im used to my 02 M3 which did not have that kind of slight delay. Any things I should look out for? Brakes, rotors, engine issues? etc. Any advice would be a appreciated.
Read my thread on 5series about M5 tested. I have same feeling since I came from M3 as well. It's more showing during by engine break. A lot people don't understand what I'm talking about because they never had a super car(well it's almost super car by Clarkson definition).
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Old 09-29-2012, 06:49 PM
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Should have mentioned, it is a 6 speed, so that is why I found the slight drag odd...
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Old 09-29-2012, 06:58 PM
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Should have mentioned, it is a 6 speed, so that is why I found the slight drag odd...
So read my thread as I said, because I don't think it's tranny, it's valve tronic system, reacting too slow. I did a lot thinking and testing different cars, as BMW and Benz AMG, because those cars has a big engine but auto tranny only. I think that system has decent reaction for acceleration but very slow for engine brake (slow down by engine).
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Old 09-29-2012, 07:19 PM
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Check for leaks in the active roll bars. Otherwise, it's the same kind of checks you'd give any car.

A 2010 from an independent would normally make me nervous, but I can see BMW dealers passing up a 6 speed. Harder to sell. Definitely get it looked at by a good pro.
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Old 09-30-2012, 06:46 AM
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2010 w/ 33K will still be under factory warranty. Any dealer should be able to call up service & repair history and read it to you -- they will be reluctant to print out since it would show previous owner info. You may want to consider using your preferred BMW dealer for a pre-purchase inspection (PPI) since with warranty coverage they should be inclined to try and find anything they can fix (and charge to BMWNA).

Good luck. E60s are great cars and the 550's engine is pretty sweet. Manual tranny is icing on the cake!
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Old 09-30-2012, 07:16 AM
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I came from a e46 m3 to a e61 wagon. Response is not the same as the m3. I think these cars is setup towards comfort rather than sporty. I have an auto tranny which lags unless you are in manual mode. A 6spd 550i should be lots of fun. Good luck.
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I want a 6 sp MT! Oh well, next time.
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I would blame the transmission. The tranny in the E60's while not bad are not really silky smooth either. Specially on lower speeds it tends to hold you down, try it in sport mode and it will be a different story.

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Old 10-01-2012, 07:10 AM
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Should have mentioned, it is a 6 speed, so that is why I found the slight drag odd...
Oh, then it's the drive-by-wire throttle pedal. Many people install a Sprint Booster to get rid of that delay.
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:28 PM
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Thanks for all the feedback. Very helpful.. However, Im a little confused by the try in in sport mode?? Is there a sport mode with a 6 spd manual?? Is the delay the trans, the drive by wire, or something else... Note, it does not feel like its slipping, just a slight delay I am not used to. Also, it has the Msport package, did that come with black exhaust tips or chrome.. And yes, is still under warranty for another year and the independent is a BMW specialty shop, but I normally prefer to buy from orig. owner, but this is white/tan/msport/19 wheels and a 6 spd to boot so I almost creamed my suburban jeans.. too good to pass up..
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:23 PM
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550i throttle lag

I have a 2008 with the sport trans. I complained to the dealer when still under warranty and they claimed it was normal. The answer is to use the Sport Mode. It is not that fun of a car without it. I still have my 540i with a 6 speed and it feels faster although it is not.

I did read about some replacement gas pedals that alter the programming but I have no research on them.
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Old 10-18-2012, 05:37 PM
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I have an 08 w/ the 6MT. I sometimes feel a bit of lag when the A/C is on and I'm at low-er RPM. Drive it again w/ the A/C off and see if that's it.

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Old 10-22-2012, 01:33 PM
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I would blame the transmission. The tranny in the E60's while not bad are not really silky smooth either. Specially on lower speeds it tends to hold you down, try it in sport mode and it will be a different story.
Amen. This is the worst part by far in the 550i and has me debating if I want to keep it or sell it. The normal mode is flat out horrible and is not in the right gear too often unless on the highway. The tranny also is jerky to me. My Grand Cherokee and F-250 trannys are superb and smooth. I might pick up a new Kia Optima 2.0TGDI Limited as they look awesome and don't have the tranny complaints in normal mode that the 550i has. I can't take turns as fast in a front wheel drive but then again I shouldn't be testing my cars limits either. I have kids now to think about and don't need to wrap a car around a tree
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Yes it's tranny more jerky then it should be, I can compare to Volvo X70, where is smooth and I don't even noticing gear change. But I guess it's trade for sport car, it's not bothering a lot as many people. What is really problem for sport car that is delay engine brake on manual mode, it's like if you are on 2nd or 3rd gear accelerating, then drop gas pedal it would take couple second before car would do engine brake. It's bad.
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:18 PM
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I am looking at a 2010 550i with 33K miles. There is no service history since it is at an independent dealer. Seems to be perfect, although I thought I did notice a little drag when punching in various gears. almost like a slight turbo lag even though I know this is not a turbo engine. Is that normal? Im used to my 02 M3 which did not have that kind of slight delay. Any things I should look out for? Brakes, rotors, engine issues? etc. Any advice would be a appreciated.
Your M3 didn't have a torque converter, right? Plus E60 is much bigger heavier vehicle. Hence you will never get same response as in M3.
In BMW cars everything breaks, you should know that from your M3 experience, so check everything.

I agree with previous speakers: I would never buy from indy dealer, they tend to get cars from auctions as cheap as they can, it could have been neglected, went through floods, accidents etc.
For me it's private party or CPO.

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I would also highly recommend running an AutoCheck by Experian. You can either buy one or do a month unlimited VIN checks. That saved me from getting one with massive frame damage. I dont trust Indy dealerships now and when I ran the VINs from Indy lots, most had some sort of damage.... This doesnt show up on Carfax but does on AutoCheck. I ended up getting a CPO car from a dealership after this harrowing ordeal. Good luck to you and I am a bit jealous. 550i with a stick.....
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