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Old 10-26-2012, 09:39 AM
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Is ED back into dealer allotment quota? Mr. Shafer?

The 3 series used to not be subject to the dealer allotment quota when picked up in Munich (ED program). This was good because dealers could give you a good deal on these cars since you were not taking up one of their precious allotment slots that could have generated more profit from another customer.

Now I'm starting to hear that the 3 series delivered in ED, and especially the 335i, is taken off the dealer allotment!!!

That's a major downside for us budget-conscious customers.

Has anybody heard this around here? Can Jon Shafer chime in maybe?

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Old 10-26-2012, 09:43 AM
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The 3 series used to not be subject to the dealer allotment quota when picked up in Munich (ED program). This was good because dealers could give you a good deal on these cars since you were not taking up one of their precious allotment slots that could have generated more profit from another customer.

Now I'm starting to hear that the 3 series delivered in ED, and especially the 335i, is taken off the dealer allotment!!!

That's a major downside for us budget-conscious customers.

Has anybody heard this around here? Can Jon Shafer chime in maybe?

Thanks.
Wait, you're doing ED and you're budget-conscious? You do realize the additional cost of ED outside of just the purchase price? I can understand wanting to get a good deal, but I wouldn't call the whole ED experience 'budget-conscious'
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:54 AM
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Wait, you're doing ED and you're budget-conscious? You do realize the additional cost of ED outside of just the purchase price? I can understand wanting to get a good deal, but I wouldn't call the whole ED experience 'budget-conscious'
You're completely off-topic...

It depends what you make of it. Some people travel to Europe regularly for various reasons and this is just an additional stop on my planned trip. No added cost for me, this is pure savings. I would be a total idiot for not doing it.

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Old 10-26-2012, 10:46 AM
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You're completely off-topic...

It depends what you make of it. Some people travel to Europe regularly for various reasons and this is just an additional stop on my planned trip. No added cost for me, this is pure savings. I would be a total idiot for not doing it.
Thank you... about time this often repeated nonsense about ED costs is called what really is and not what somebody else is saying that it is.

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Old 10-26-2012, 10:49 AM
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Thank you... about time this often repeated nonsense about ED costs is called what really is and not what somebody else is saying that it is.

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Its not repeated nonsense. You are traveling to another country on another continent. There are other costs involved. Regardless if you're going on a business trip and the company is footing the bill or if you're paying out of pocket. Gas still costs money (more in fact) in foreign countries.

Anyway...back to negotiating a good deal regardless of whose allotment its coming from.
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:23 AM
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Its not repeated nonsense. You are traveling to another country on another continent. There are other costs involved. Regardless if you're going on a business trip and the company is footing the bill or if you're paying out of pocket. Gas still costs money (more in fact) in foreign countries.

Anyway...back to negotiating a good deal regardless of whose allotment its coming from.
Mr. Golovko... What good is a gallon of gas... If you take THE TRAIN to Munich!!!

Anyway... Back to my original question please.

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Old 10-26-2012, 11:46 AM
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Mr. Golovko... What good is a gallon of gas... If you take THE TRAIN to Munich!!!

Anyway... Back to my original question please.
My bad, misunderstanding. I thought you'd be driving your car in Europe after the pick up. Didn't realize you were just picking it up there for the discount and sending it right on its way here.
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The 3 series used to not be subject to the dealer allotment quota when picked up in Munich (ED program). This was good because dealers could give you a good deal on these cars since you were not taking up one of their precious allotment slots that could have generated more profit from another customer.

Now I'm starting to hear that the 3 series delivered in ED, and especially the 335i, is taken off the dealer allotment!!!

That's a major downside for us budget-conscious customers.

Has anybody heard this around here? Can Jon Shafer chime in maybe?

Thanks.
Back to the topic...

From what I understand, the M models are now from the dealer allotment, not the regular models. So you should be fine.
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Old 10-26-2012, 01:10 PM
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Its not repeated nonsense. You are traveling to another country on another continent. There are other costs involved. Regardless if you're going on a business trip and the company is footing the bill or if you're paying out of pocket. Gas still costs money (more in fact) in foreign countries.

Anyway...back to negotiating a good deal regardless of whose allotment its coming from.
There are many ways to look at the cost of ED. First of course is that the cost of the car is much less. Second, it gives you a chance to vacation in Europe if you choose. I guess that's not a real value decision. Third, some people have frequent flier miles that allow free air travel. In this scenario even a few days in Europe can be significantly less than the savings for the ED price.
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Wait, you're doing ED and you're budget-conscious? You do realize the additional cost of ED outside of just the purchase price? I can understand wanting to get a good deal, but I wouldn't call the whole ED experience 'budget-conscious'
I was always curious to find out what exactly a regular American thinks cost of going to Europe is. Can you expand a little bit on "You do realize the additional cost of ED outside of just the purchase price?"

An average 328i will cost around $43k. Doing ED will save you anywhere between $2,900 and $4,500 - depends where you buy the car.
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We are off topic. Please let's get back to the original question. This is most important.
Is F30 ED back into dealer allotment quota or this is just a temporary situation?
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Old 10-26-2012, 07:10 PM
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I was always curious to find out what exactly a regular American thinks cost of going to Europe is. Can you expand a little bit on "You do realize the additional cost of ED outside of just the purchase price?"

An average 328i will cost around $43k. Doing ED will save you anywhere between $2,900 and $4,500 - depends where you buy the car.
I'm not a regular American, I've traveled to over 20 countries. I was born and grew up overseas. My brother and his family live in Leipzig. But I will break it down for you.

Plane tickets (those aren't free last I was over there)
Hotels (BMW does not pay for that like they do Performance Delivery)
Gas (gas prices are a lot higher in Europe then here, or so my brother keeps bitching about when he comes to visit)

Add the fact that you are in Europe with your brand new BMW so I'm sure driving is on the agenda, a lot of it.

You aren't just buying a car for less. You are also paying for a European vacation. Everyone I know thats done ED has spent a couple thousand in gas alone. Of course that was driving across Europe which is exactly what I plan on doing my next time out.

So to think you are getting a car for 7% less on average and stopping there is just dumb. sorry.

Don't get me wrong here. I am all for ED, but lets not kid ourselves by saying there are no additional costs.
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I'm not a regular American, I've traveled to over 20 countries. I was born and grew up overseas. My brother and his family live in Leipzig. But I will break it down for you.

Plane tickets (those aren't free last I was over there)
Hotels (BMW does not pay for that like they do Performance Delivery)
Gas (gas prices are a lot higher in Europe then here, or so my brother keeps bitching about when he comes to visit)

Add the fact that you are in Europe with your brand new BMW so I'm sure driving is on the agenda, a lot of it.

You aren't just buying a car for less. You are also paying for a European vacation. Everyone I know thats done ED has spent a couple thousand in gas alone. Of course that was driving across Europe which is exactly what I plan on doing my next time out.

So to think you are getting a car for 7% less on average and stopping there is just dumb. sorry.

Don't get me wrong here. I am all for ED, but lets not kid ourselves by saying there are no additional costs.
I've done 3 ED's - (1) 2007, (2) 2010, (3) 2011. I'll also compare to the Jersey last Summer (4)

Airfare
1. United frequent flier miles
2. Lufthansa (from London) - $400
3. United frequent flier miles
4. Drove - tolls & ferry - $40

Accomodations
1. Marriott & Hilton points for 12 nights, paid one night @ $200
2. Renaissance for 1 night @ $130
3. Munich Apartment 1 week @ $660
4. Beach House 1 week @ $3900

Fuel
1. 1200 miles, $6/gal, 20mpgs - $360
2. 28 miles, $8/gal, 30mpgs - $8 (actually, I didn't buy any fuel)
3. 800 miles, $8/gal, 20mpgs - $320
4. 400 miles, $4/gal, 20mpgs - $80

As far as vacations go, the ED's were pretty cheap.
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Not going to derail the thread further. Feel free to message me if you want to continue ED discussions.
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Trying to steer this back on topic... This allotment situation is new as of a few days, or so I hear.
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I've done 3 ED's - (1) 2007, (2) 2010, (3) 2011. I'll also compare to the Jersey last Summer (4)

Airfare
1. United frequent flier miles
2. Lufthansa (from London) - $400
3. United frequent flier miles
4. Drove - tolls & ferry - $40

Accomodations
1. Marriott & Hilton points for 12 nights, paid one night @ $200
2. Renaissance for 1 night @ $130
3. Munich Apartment 1 week @ $660
4. Beach House 1 week @ $3900

Fuel
1. 1200 miles, $6/gal, 20mpgs - $360
2. 28 miles, $8/gal, 30mpgs - $8 (actually, I didn't buy any fuel)
3. 800 miles, $8/gal, 20mpgs - $320
4. 400 miles, $4/gal, 20mpgs - $80

As far as vacations go, the ED's were pretty cheap.
Not had you rented a beach house in Italy or some nice spot in Europe for a week I suppose?
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Not had you rented a beach house in Italy or some nice spot in Europe for a week I suppose?
Not quite. I listed number 4 for comparison sake. The beach house was in New Jersey.
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Not quite. I listed number 4 for comparison sake. The beach house was in New Jersey.
The comparison is not very fair.

If you want to compare to your trip up and down Europe during your EDs, maybe a trip up and down the east coast of the US is more appropriate. Or if you want to use the beach house vacation in NJ for comparison, then compare it to a weeklong stay at a beach house in Europe during an ED trip.
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The comparison is not very fair.

If you want to compare to your trip up and down Europe during your EDs, maybe a trip up and down the east coast of the US is more appropriate. Or if you want to use the beach house vacation in NJ for comparison, then compare it to a weeklong stay at a beach house in Europe during an ED trip.
As has already been requested, please don't hijack the OP's thread with off topic posts.
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Back in the days budget was very limited, we managed to backpack through Europe, hardly cost much. It is all in the context. I have some frequent fliers miles, they can be used to have a vacation in Tahiti instead of Europe, since sometimes you can find good airfare to Europe, but not to Tahiti.

Jon can answer the OP's question anytime he wishes, or maybe only through PM if it is a sensitive issue. I am interested in the answer too, a good way to do it is to keep the thread active.

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The comparison is not very fair.

If you want to compare to your trip up and down Europe during your EDs, maybe a trip up and down the east coast of the US is more appropriate. Or if you want to use the beach house vacation in NJ for comparison, then compare it to a weeklong stay at a beach house in Europe during an ED trip.
I think you missed the point, one week in NJ cost more than my three European Deliveries combined. I'll make the point slightly differently, I spend $5-10k on two week-long vacations each year, so I don't see ED as an additional cost at all since Germany is always a favorite vacation spot.

Anyway this isn't really a point to argue about, since I like the ED experience and will continue to do EDs in the future, whether or not someone else thinks it economically advantageous.

The OP could also PM Greg, Adrian, or post in the same question in the ED forum.
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... since Germany is always a favorite vacation spot...
I can understand your point better now. If Germany, or Europe is a favorite vacation spot for you, even if the trip cost more than your stay at the beach house in NJ, you still would have gone there. The ED only made it easier.

Our second trip to Europe, we spent way too much money than any other vacations we ever had, because the SO wanted to experience luxury living in Paris for a week. Which is why our next European trip, I am trying to find some way to save money
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