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E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 01-18-2016, 03:42 PM
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Just bought a used 2012 35D with 28,000 miles. I love love love it. Dealer gave me the option to purchase extended maintenance for three years and another 75,000 miles for $3,000.00 Any opinions on if this is a good deal. I don't do my own maintenance and drive about 25,000 miles a year. The scheduled maintenance seems like a long interval at 15,000 per oil change.
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Old 01-18-2016, 03:46 PM
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Old 01-18-2016, 04:01 PM
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Wow. They give you a reach around with that?

Seriously, what is the status of the maintenance right now? When will the 4/50 plan expire? What are your options for service? (ie any good indys in "central coast", wherever that is...)

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Old 01-18-2016, 04:47 PM
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Thanks for the reply. The original 4/50 plan expires this April. The $3K sounds like alot of money to me as well but then I started to think about the brakes that are included and since the service records show that this vehicle all ready needed brakes at 25k I thought it might make some sense. What do you think?
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Old 01-18-2016, 05:44 PM
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Not sure where you are located but you need to find someone other than the dealer to do your maintenance. You're going to get 3 -4 oil changes, one brake fluid change, and maybe brakes. Brakes will depend on the type of driving you do but if you're driving 25k miles a year I assume it's mostly highway and not a lot of stop and go in which case the brakes will not be overly taxed. If you got both front and rear brakes at the dealer you would come out even but if you find an independent BMW repair shops it would be cheaper.

I would suggest looking for a shop at bimrs.org or bimmershops.com then cross referencing yelp for ratings, keeping in mind these places often have to deliver bad news.
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Old 01-18-2016, 05:53 PM
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Ard and Fredo I have been reading some of the old posts on this subject and as I said what had me a little freaked out was that the first owner must have been heavy on the brakes because they needed service at 25k and if that is a regular interval the maintenance program makes sense. I do have a good Indy that has serviced my TDI for years. But let me ask you guys a question because I'm new to this car. Is it normal for the brakes to make a dragging sound when applied?
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Old 01-18-2016, 06:10 PM
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Not normal. Take it in to have it checked.
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Old 01-18-2016, 07:19 PM
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What about any extended warranty via CPO program to 100k, was that provided or offered as an option?
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Old 01-19-2016, 06:27 AM
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I imagine the extended maintenance program makes the dealer a tidy profit 99.999% of the time it's sold. If you consider indy prices + a rental car, I don't see how it can save you any money in even the most extreme cases.
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Old 01-19-2016, 09:38 AM
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Thanks I will report back with what I find.
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Old 01-19-2016, 09:39 AM
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Not sure what you mean by a CPO?
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Old 01-19-2016, 09:40 AM
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Agreed they are not providing these maintenance programs out of love for the consumer.
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Old 01-19-2016, 09:49 AM
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If they are selling it to you, it means they have every intention of making money off that product.

Skip some (a lot) lattes and self fund.

That said, I do have the extended CPO warranty of my E70
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Old 01-19-2016, 12:32 PM
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If any business is selling you anything, they're probably in it to make a profit. So what?
Is that really a reason to avoid a transaction?
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Old 01-19-2016, 12:40 PM
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Just bought a used 2012 35D with 28,000 miles. I love love love it. Dealer gave me the option to purchase extended maintenance for three years and another 75,000 miles for $3,000.00 Any opinions on if this is a good deal. I don't do my own maintenance and drive about 25,000 miles a year. The scheduled maintenance seems like a long interval at 15,000 per oil change.
I will just be clear: DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!
1. BMW brakes do get worn out faster, but that is because they stop much better then other cars. Find Indy shop if you are not DIY guy, but brakes online OEM front pads are around $150-160, Pagid pads (OEM supplier) are around $60 Rotors around $200. Let me tell you, I had VW CC and have VW Tiguan, buying reputable brakes online, even OEM brakes are only 15% more expensive for BMW.
2. 35d? I will tell you to change oil every 5-7.5K. Use oil that beside BMW LL-04 meets VW 504.00/507.00 so you extend life of your DPF and other emission system components (VW 504.00/507.00 have less SAPS content then LL-04).
So let's say you change oil every 5K (I do): buy on Amazon Mobil1 5W30 ESP (or similar oil). Goes 12ltr for $109. You need 7.3ltr per fill. Buy OEM filter in BMW. That will be around $85 per change (if you do it on your own). Is that worth that money you would pay to BMW to do it every 10K?
3. Brake fluid: Change is about $150.
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Old 01-19-2016, 01:49 PM
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That will be around $85 per change (if you do it on your own). Is that worth that money you would pay to BMW to do it every 10K?
Pretty sure I read in the O.P that the owner did not do his own maintenance.

That said, I think there is a bit more to it. Even at 10K oil change service, that will be 7 over the indicated period of 75k. For this alone, it is not worth $3k. But there is the brake fluid change, transmission service, DEF fluid, and then brakes which, for the same car, my "dealer" quoted $2200.00 for all 4. Throw in a 'loaner' car, etc. and maybe for the sake of convenience, it starts to make some sense.

But I think much more important than the "servicing" contract is the warranty, or mechanical breakdown contract. With added 75k miles, (total over 100k) that puts the car at risk of transmission, axle, turbo(s) and a whole host of high-cost items. Plus, it is much easier to sell a
'older" BMW with than without a 'warranty'.

It takes some investigation to come up with the right combo, as no 2 scenarios are exactly the same. I am currently in the same boat as the o.p (have a 2012 X5d at end of 4/50 in 2 months. I'm looking too!)

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Old 01-19-2016, 02:13 PM
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Pretty sure I read in the O.P that the owner did not do his own maintenance.

That said, I think there is a bit more to it. Even at 10K oil change service, that will be 7 over the indicated period of 75k. For this alone, it is not worth $3k. But there is the brake fluid change, transmission service, DEF fluid, and then brakes which, for the same car, my "dealer" quoted $2200.00 for all 4. Throw in a 'loaner' car, etc. and maybe for the sake of convenience, it starts to make some sense.

But I think much more important than the "servicing" contract is the warranty, or mechanical breakdown contract. With added 75k miles, (total over 100k) that puts the car at risk of transmission, axle, turbo(s) and a whole host of high-cost items. Plus, it is much easier to sell a
'older" BMW with than without a 'warranty'.

It takes some investigation to come up with the right combo, as no 2 scenarios are exactly the same. I am currently in the same boat as the o.p (have a 2012 X5d at end of 4/50 in 2 months. I'm looking too!)

my .02.
Since when BMW changes transmission fluid? isn't it "lifelong" fluid? Transmission fluid that is done at 60K or 100K is only preventive maintenance by owners not by BMW.
I would buy $3000 ASAP if that included transmission fluid, filter (pan) and all differentials with oil changes.
DEF? DEF goes for as low as $11.5 to $20 per gallon. DEF is DEF, it is not some secret sauce that BMW has.
Edit: Even with transmission service it is questionable whether $3000 is worth it.
CPO and manufacturer warranty are different from extended maintenance package.
I have CPO until 100,000 on my X5, but not maintenance package.

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Old 01-19-2016, 03:04 PM
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The maintenance coverage is very limited, oil change and add DEF, brakes and rotors. In addition Transmission and Deferential fluid change is not covered at all. I got to tell you guys the more I think about it the further I am from signing up. I really appreciate the conversation though.
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Old 01-19-2016, 03:31 PM
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The maintenance coverage is very limited, oil change and add DEF, brakes and rotors. In addition Transmission and Deferential fluid change is not covered at all. I got to tell you guys the more I think about it the further I am from signing up. I really appreciate the conversation though.
Like I said, forget transmission and diff. fluids. Under BMW schedule those are so called "lifelong" fluids, although everyone who is bit informed knows you should change them at 100K or 60K or 80K, depending who you ask.
Transmission and diff's will be covered under CPO if they break etc. But changing fluid? no way.
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Old 01-19-2016, 06:03 PM
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Pretty sure I read in the O.P that the owner did not do his own maintenance.

That said, I think there is a bit more to it. Even at 10K oil change service, that will be 7 over the indicated period of 75k. For this alone, it is not worth $3k. But there is the brake fluid change, transmission service, DEF fluid, and then brakes which, for the same car, my "dealer" quoted $2200.00 for all 4. Throw in a 'loaner' car, etc. and maybe for the sake of convenience, it starts to make some sense.

You are right- OP said they dont do their own, so when we post advice about how much he can save with DIY it really is a disservice ...and confuses people.

I try to respond on point- in a way that can help someone that doesnt DIY.

One comment or your post- when you buy the BMW plan, you cannot get oil changes when you want!! You will get 15k mile intervals- when the BMW light on the dash tells you. So your "10 changes over 75k miles" isnt valid.

If he is at 28k, in 45k he will be at ~75k and that will be 3 oil changes.

Since BMW only recommends ATF at 100 k, and that is AFTER 100k, you will NEVER get any bmw plan to pay for ATF. BMW also does not recommend diff or transfer case service, and hence NO bmw plan will pay to have it done.

Saying "oh what about the other stuff, lie transmission, transfer, bah bla" is designed to scare people into the 'deal'. While WE may recommend these services, BMW plans dont cover them! If your salesman is waving arms and citing service the BMW plan will not cover, they are misrepresenting.


The CENTRAL issue is 'what will it cost for the services BMW will cover'. Thats a 'two parter'- what BMW covers and what will it cost YOU to receive....

so if you go to BMW and you cannot figure out how not to be so abused, use those numbers and know that you are paying top dollar for what is most likely mediocre service.

If you can find an indy, you pay mid to low dollar for mediocre service.

So any time people who are scared of car service and face anxiety over this stuff ask, my advice is to FIND AN INDY before you need one. Drop by, visit...say hello... start a relationship. If you do this before you re facing a decision it will be very empowering. Nothing worse that a car on a tow truck and the salesthief blathering on about 'sign here'

Finally I do agree with you about a 'warranty'.AKA 'mechanical breakdown insurnace' AKA 'cpo warranty'.

I picked one up, Im about 2600 into the 3500 cost. Even if I have no more claims I'd be happy with the math- for 900 I was insured against the downside risk. Ive got 25k to go...any bets?
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Old 01-19-2016, 06:29 PM
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Good points....except:

OP stated that his car currently has 28K miles, and that the dealer offered him "for three years and ANOTHER 75k miles". I'm just a public school guy so forgive me, but I get 103K total miles at coverage end.

I bought a '12 X5 35d with 24k 2 years ago. Now has 41.8k. Just had 2cd "oil change" service done in December. That's one every 8.75k. For free.
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Old 01-19-2016, 08:29 PM
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Good points....except:

OP stated that his car currently has 28K miles, and that the dealer offered him "for three years and ANOTHER 75k miles". I'm just a public school guy so forgive me, but I get 103K total miles at coverage end.

I bought a '12 X5 35d with 24k 2 years ago. Now has 41.8k. Just had 2cd "oil change" service done in December. That's one every 8.75k. For free.
Valid point.

But BMW doesnt offer any plan other than 6/100 which is 2 more years or 50k miles, whichever comes first.

Since he said his 4/50 expires in April.... which means it will be two more years that will arrive first. Technically 2.25 years or 2.25x25kyear = 56k.

If he can drive 72k miles in 2.25 years he might get more

(and I did forget that the diesels tend to a shorter OCI, so he will get more than just 3- for sure.)

And again, I am assuming it is a BMW maintenance plan...,
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