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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 10-28-2012, 07:22 PM
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Why is the BMW F30 larger than the E92?

Any reason for BMW to go to a bigger 3 series sedan?
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Old 10-28-2012, 07:24 PM
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Old 10-29-2012, 06:00 AM
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It is common for car manufacturers to increase the size of a car each generation. It is also making room for the 1 and 2 series that are now/will be the entry level models.

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Old 10-29-2012, 06:12 AM
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I drove an E90 once a year for years thinking of buying one. I found the rear to be a bit cramped and always wished the cars dimensions were 10% larger overall. The F30 is just right to me. Would I want it much bigger than it is now, NO.
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Old 10-29-2012, 06:25 AM
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All else being equal, isn't the F30 chassis also lighter and stiffer than the old one? It's not like they just made it a fatter car.
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Old 10-29-2012, 06:33 AM
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Old 10-29-2012, 06:45 AM
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To appease the Chinese!
Not quite, they offer a LWB F30...that is all for China.
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Old 10-29-2012, 07:05 AM
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Any reason for BMW to go to a bigger 3 series sedan?

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Old 10-29-2012, 07:18 AM
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FYI, the E90 sedan is basically the same size as an E34 5-series (excluding the trunk).
They've got the Mini and now the 1-series to fill the void below it.
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Old 10-29-2012, 08:07 AM
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This is clearly the trend. But for those of us living in dense cities, it's not a good trend. Parking spaces and streets have not kept pace with the growth of vehicles. This will have to end eventually; the laws of physics demand it.
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BMW determined that the average 3 series buyer wanted a slightly larger car than the E90.

They introduced the 1 series for the portion of their market who viewed the E90 as too large.
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This is clearly the trend. But for those of us living in dense cities, it's not a good trend. Parking spaces and streets have not kept pace with the growth of vehicles. This will have to end eventually; the laws of physics demand it.

You should without delay purchase a Smart Car.

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Old 10-29-2012, 08:41 AM
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BMW determined that the average 3 series buyer wanted a slightly larger car than the E90.

They introduced the 1 series for the portion of their market who viewed the E90 as too large.
I thought that was why BMW offered a 5 Series, for those who wanted more cabin space?
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Any reason for BMW to go to a bigger 3 series sedan?
Yes.

3 Series owners are getting older and have growing families and need the extra room. All the other cars in the segment are getting larger and more luxurious as well, so if BMW stayed the course they'd be at a competitive disadvantage.

The rumored 1 Series Sedan (might be called the 2 Series) will likely be built to the 2005 E46 3 Series size now that the F30 3 Series is built to almost the 2005 E36 5 Series dimensions.

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Old 10-29-2012, 10:13 AM
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I thought that was why BMW offered a 5 Series, for those who wanted more cabin space?
The 5 is very close to being 7 sized. For me and many, too big. It's like Goldilocks. 5-7=Too Big, 3=Just right. 1-needs a redesign, so not in the running for me.
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I wonder what will happen when 3 will be like today's 5, 1 will be like 3. How they'll fill the gap than? With "-1" series?
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:47 AM
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I wonder what will happen when 3 will be like today's 5, 1 will be like 3. How they'll fill the gap than? With "-1" series?
cars dont necessarily just keep growing.


the 3 is probably the right size now. the old one the back seat was a little cramped. plus its not like it got heavier.

if anything you are getting more for your money, the 5 is just too big i'd say (it does weigh like 800 pounds more too).;


For example the new accord and mazda 6 are smaller than the previous ones slightly . the 3 is the bread and butter. we should be happy its larger since it seems about ideal sized now for the price its going for. if you want smaller therse always the 1 / 2
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The 5 is very close to being 7 sized. For me and many, too big. It's like Goldilocks. 5-7=Too Big, 3=Just right. 1-needs a redesign, so not in the running for me.
That's because BMW made the 5 Series bigger as well.
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Old 10-29-2012, 12:09 PM
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BMW wanted to build an underwhelming boat! Just kidding.

Quite frankly, the guys who were upset with the growth in the F10 were hoping the F30 would be a better size for them.
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Old 10-29-2012, 12:10 PM
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That's because BMW made the 5 Series bigger as well.
No ****

The last 5 series I would buy is an E39 M5. So the fact that my F30 is about that size is a good thing.
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I wonder if the F30 would pass this test since it has gained girth and grown a schnozola?

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/25/t...6pLid%3D227181

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Yes.

3 Series owners are getting older and have growing families and need the extra room. All the other cars in the segment are getting larger and more luxurious as well, so if BMW stayed the course they'd be at a competitive disadvantage.

The rumored 1 Series Sedan (might be called the 2 Series) will likely be built to the 2005 E46 3 Series size now that the F30 3 Series is built to almost the 2005 E36 5 Series dimensions.

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