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Old 02-09-2016, 12:56 PM
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Insight into diagnostic tools

I am looking at laptops that I would be loading with the factory diagnostic software but with all the info have been overwhelmed with what is actually needed in terms of software and cables ,i would like to be able to use the diagnostic tool on all 4 of my bmws, e32 750il,e39 528i & E60 535i so if someone could help in say you need this+ this + this and your good to do everything it would be helpful. I haven't bought anything yet since i am afraid of buying something that wont work on any of my cars. So if one where going to invest in diagnostic software what would they buy, laptop requirements; software downloads; cables. Links to sources would also be much appreciated.
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Old 02-09-2016, 11:19 PM
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For Diagnosis of all your cars, your best bet is a Laptop with ISTA/D (Rheingold) and an ICOM Interface, although for all Exx cars, you could make do with a K+DCAN Cable.

The requirements to run Rheingold are minimal. I would say at least an i5 processor, 16 Gb or RAM, and at least 500 Gb Hard drive.
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Old 02-10-2016, 09:58 PM
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http://www.amazon.com/PeleusTech%C2%.../dp/B017IG81SQ. Would this cable work then with the rhiengold software you mentioned if not or of a better source you know of . Thank you
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Old 02-11-2016, 02:13 AM
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http://www.amazon.com/PeleusTech%C2%.../dp/B017IG81SQ. Would this cable work then with the rhiengold software you mentioned if not or of a better source you know of . Thank you
In theory, yes, but K+DCAN Cable Quality varies greatly, with some that work, and others that don't. An ICOM Interface would still be my first choice.
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Old 02-11-2016, 03:14 AM
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Would there be any fault that can only be shown by ICOM but not K+DCAN cable?

How about flashing? Can you flash the whole car by using K+DCAN cable instead of ICOM?
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Old 02-11-2016, 03:16 AM
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If you have a good working K+DCAN cable, then it will show all faults.

You cannot program car with K+DCAN cable though.
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Old 02-11-2016, 03:39 AM
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Thanks, is it true that you have to use ICOM for ISTA/P, while you can also do flashing via ENET cable using esys?
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You can Programming E-Series car with ISTA/P or WinKFP using ICOM Interface only.

You can Programming F-Series car with ISTA/P or E-Sys using ICOM Interface or ENET Cable .
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Old 02-11-2016, 04:51 AM
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in this case, for F series, what justify the super expensive ICOM cable vs the super cheap ENET cable? just more "reliable"?
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Old 02-11-2016, 05:38 AM
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in this case, for F series, what justify the super expensive ICOM cable vs the super cheap ENET cable? just more "reliable"?
Nothing. For F-Series, I would use ENET cable.

"Super Expensive" though? You can buy new ICOM A2 A-B-C Clone for $300 USD.
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Old 02-11-2016, 06:16 AM
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http://rheingoldusa.com/conc/index.php/store#!/The-Ultimate-Rheingold-ISTA-D-+-ISTA-P-+-ICOM-A-Tablet-System/p/59494639/category=16152038. So been seriously looking at this since i have mutiple vehicles is this thing worth it ?
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Old 02-11-2016, 06:33 AM
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I would prefer to have Laptop Myself.

This has older ICOM A1, and only A. For E-Series car, you need at least "B" Adapter for MOST Connection and possibly "C" Connector for old car with Pacman OBD Port in Engine Bay.
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Old 02-11-2016, 06:54 AM
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http://rheingoldusa.com/conc/index.p...ry=16152033,so i thought about this along with. There certfied K+DCAN obd2 to usb cable but am wondering how difficult it is going to be to install it on a laptop and what operating system,ram,harddrive storage,etc the laptop will need to be
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http://rheingoldusa.com/conc/index.p...egory=16152036. This is yhe cable i would be getting for my e60, Which just started throwing a engine malfunction power reduce message.
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Old 02-11-2016, 07:00 AM
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http://rheingoldusa.com/conc/index.p...egory=16152036. This is yhe cable i would be getting for my e60, Which just started throwing a engine malfunction power reduce message.
It should be fine for Diagnosis and Coding.
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Hmmm, you cannot flash everything with E-Sys and an enet-cable. I would estimate that at least 30-40% of all ZGW are not flashable with an enet-cable, mostly the older ones.

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I flashed my ZGW with ENET in a 0910 Build.
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Welcome to the 60-70%

Unfortunately I'd many (too many) ZGWs which were not flashable with an Enet-cable. Connecting via IP on port 6801 or via ZGW/VIN. The ZGW wasn't reachable after the ECUs were in transport mode - no way.

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Well after talking with Rheingold and his assurances that the tablet and icom A would communicate with my MY 04/2007 E60 535i and be able to do diagnosis , coding , battery registering, programming I purchased it . He did state that I would need the icom C adaptor to communicate with my E39 but the tablet with the icom A will cover my E60. Main thing was to get access to my E60 since I have learned that with out it there is absolutely nothing you can do in regards to troubleshooting with out knowing where to start. So hopefully when this package arrives I wont be disappointed with my invest. A huge thank you to you shawnsheridan for taking the time to answer my questions.
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Well after talking with Rheingold and his assurances that the tablet and icom A would communicate with my MY 04/2007 E60 535i and be able to do diagnosis , coding , battery registering, programming I purchased it . He did state that I would need the icom C adaptor to communicate with my E39 but the tablet with the icom A will cover my E60. Main thing was to get access to my E60 since I have learned that with out it there is absolutely nothing you can do in regards to troubleshooting with out knowing where to start. So hopefully when this package arrives I wont be disappointed with my invest. A huge thank you to you shawnsheridan for taking the time to answer my questions.
Ok, good luck with it.
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All ZGW's can be flashed with ENET. Requires just a software DHCP server, for example tftpd. I can't even remember when I used ICOM for F-series.

ICOM B is required only for flashing E-series, not for diagnostics. Also in some very rare cases it must be used for coding.

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Nothing. For F-Series, I would use ENET cable.

"Super Expensive" though? You can buy new ICOM A2 A-B-C Clone for $300 USD.
You can't deny ENET is super cheap though, can you?
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