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Old 11-26-2012, 05:36 PM
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Bimmer magazine: M135i has better steering feel than 3 or 5

Just read a review of the new M135i (hatchback) in Bimmer. After complaining about the lack of steering feel in the new 3 and 5, they went on to say the M135i had great steering feel, implying that BMW has improved on its EPS.

The car does have non-RFTs standard. Don't know if that should matter though.

Would be great if BMW can quickly bring improved steering to the F30 like in 2001.

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Old 11-27-2012, 07:00 AM
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Tires should make a difference.

My 19's I just ordered will have Michelin Super Sports non RFT.

Also, for all we know it could just be a software change to the steering and not a hardware change.
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Tires should make a difference.

My 19's I just ordered will have Michelin Super Sports non RFT.

Also, for all we know it could just be a software change to the steering and not a hardware change.
I know tires can make a difference with a hydraulic system, though I think mostly in weight, not in feel. Have people said steering feel improves on an EPS system with non-RFTs?

EPS needs tons of tuning, so maybe there could be an easy software retrofit.
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I know tires can make a difference with a hydraulic system, though I think mostly in weight, not in feel. Have people said steering feel improves on an EPS system with non-RFTs?

EPS needs tons of tuning, so maybe there could be an easy software retrofit.
My gut says the nature of how an RFT must be constructed is a bit of a performance compromise that can affect steering feel. It's a hypothesis, and again I will verify when my summer setup is mounted.

Here is a sneak peak. Just imagine it in EBII and as an F30-wheel specs are identical to my custom build.
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Dude youre comparing a toy car that was made to race and is exceptionally small for roads in the USA.

Its like comparing those racing cars that have no hood on top have better steering or etc.
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Just read a review of the new M135i (hatchback) in Bimmer. After complaining about the lack of steering feel in the new 3 and 5, they went on to say the M135i had great steering feel, implying that BMW has improved on its EPS.

The car does have non-RFTs standard. Don't know if that should matter though.

Would be great if BMW can quickly bring improved steering to the F30 like in 2001.
Could the difference be one is an M car and the others non-M cars? M cars have a different emphasis on the driving experience than non-M cars.
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Could the difference be one is an M car and the others non-M cars? M cars have a different emphasis on the driving experience than non-M cars.
The M135i isn't an M car... it's like the M Sport line for the F30 except... better.

Here's another comparo by Chris Harris. This video makes me want an M135i.

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The M135i isn't an M car... it's like the M Sport line for the F30 except... better.

Here's another comparo by Chris Harris. This video makes me want an M135i.

Still looked more than just M sport package. Are they going to bring it to the NA market?
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My gut says the nature of how an RFT must be constructed is a bit of a performance compromise that can affect steering feel. It's a hypothesis, and again I will verify when my summer setup is mounted.
I look forward to hearing that, since if I buy another BMW the first thing I'll do is put non-RFT on it. Probably lighter rims too, since that improved steering feel on my ZHP.

Stiffer bushings is another thing that might help. Assuming these things apply to EPS as well as a hydraulic system.
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Dude youre comparing a toy car that was made to race and is exceptionally small for roads in the USA.
We will get the new 1 series soon, in coupe form. I'd guess we'll get this M135i as well, again in coupe form, or maybe even 2 series sedan form later.

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Could the difference be one is an M car and the others non-M cars? M cars have a different emphasis on the driving experience than non-M cars.
M cars have hydraulic steering usually, but this car has EPS, for that and other reasons it's not really an M car. Or as Jeremy Clarkson said about the 135i, "it's not an M car unless the M stands for Marketing".
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The M135i isn't an M car... it's like the M Sport line for the F30 except... better.

Here's another comparo by Chris Harris. This video makes me want an M135i.

Car sounds awesome with the Performance Exhaust.

Check out this EVO Magazine video too, an M135i and 911 drifting around a track.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/perf...era_video.html
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The M135i isn't an M car... it's like the M Sport line for the F30 except... better.
Ah, gotcha.
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Still looked more than just M sport package. Are they going to bring it to the NA market?
Sadly, no. I think the reason was that hot hatches aren't strong sellers here in the States. Just like we don't have Sciroccos.
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Wow, reportedly, the strong reviews of M135i and the popularity of 1M have motivated BMW to make a new small M sedan, based on the upcoming 2 series, with a 300 hp version of the N20. It even looks good.

BMW needs to get crackin' on this so we can stop beating on the poor F30.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...w-junior-m-car

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anything they can do for how ugly it is? uke:
If you like the look of the E92, I wouldn't expect you to have taste.
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i have no taste, all i do is drive a BMW and hope that it appears that I actually have taste.
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i have no taste, all i do is drive a BMW and hope that it appears that I actually have taste.
I doubt anyone notices your car in Boston. It's like driving an Accord in DC.
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hey bro it's all good, if i were driving an 8 yr old bimmer i would also be looking for reassurance on the 'net


just remember, a 10,000 old hyundai = you are piss poor

a 10,000$ old bimmer = you have "taste"
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hey bro it's all good, if i were driving an 8 yr old bimmer i would also be looking for reassurance on the 'net
I'm sure you would, you seem kind of insecure.
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I know tires can make a difference with a hydraulic system, though I think mostly in weight, not in feel. Have people said steering feel improves on an EPS system with non-RFTs?

EPS needs tons of tuning, so maybe there could be an easy software retrofit.
Tires are a large factor in road feel. Summer tires with their stickier rubber provide more road feel than all season tires on a harder compound. Car and Driver commented in their comparison test of the 328 that the 335 they had previously tested had more road feel than the 328. It's due to the 335 having sport oriented tires vs the low rolling resistance tires on the 328 Sport Line they tested. I don't think RFT vs non-RFT would make much difference if they were the same design and compound. The ride would improve however.
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Wow, reportedly, the strong reviews of M135i and the popularity of 1M have motivated BMW to make a new small M sedan, based on the upcoming 2 series, with a 300 hp version of the N20. It even looks good.

BMW needs to get crackin' on this so we can stop beating on the poor F30.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...w-junior-m-car

The old 1 series was a bit ugly. This new fascia for the 1 is growing on me. Already dig that M135i. This one is a tad better. A 300hp N20? Evo numbers right there!
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