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Old 11-02-2012, 01:22 PM
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Run Flat Tires - Tire Rotation?

Folks. I have the stock run flat tires on my F30 328i. I didn't see anything about tire rotation in the owners' guide. In my pre-BMW days, I used to change the oil and rotate tires every 3k miles religiously.

Other than my new car break in oil change at about 1500 miles, I'm going to use the recommended BMW maintenance schedule.

BUT, none of the BMW material has any guidance on tire rotation. I'm trying to be a good owner and stay on top of my maintenance. I called my CA, and he said 'change it when you see abnormal wear'

Any thoughts?
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Old 11-02-2012, 01:38 PM
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Folks. I have the stock run flat tires on my F30 328i. I didn't see anything about tire rotation in the owners' guide. In my pre-BMW days, I used to change the oil and rotate tires every 3k miles religiously.

Other than my new car break in oil change at about 1500 miles, I'm going to use the recommended BMW maintenance schedule.

BUT, none of the BMW material has any guidance on tire rotation. I'm trying to be a good owner and stay on top of my maintenance. I called my CA, and he said 'change it when you see abnormal wear'

Any thoughts?
That's 15,000 miles, not 1,500!

Are the front/read wheels the same, or are they staggered? If the are staggered, then I don't think you don't want to rotate them. I don't remember seeing that info is in the manual either.

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Old 11-02-2012, 03:29 PM
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On page 185 of the user's manual it says don't rotate tires front to rear or vice versa.
If you have staggared tires, you can't do that anyway. If you can't rotate them f/r, there is no sense in shifting right/left, either.

BMW has not recommended tire rotation for decades (at least since my '91 525i.)

(User's manual downloaded from bmwusa.com.)

And if it's not clear from Frogman's post, BMW doesn't do break-in oil changes (other than on M cars.)
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Old 11-02-2012, 04:11 PM
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As long as you have a square wheel/tire set up and do not have directional tires you can rotate the tires with no problems. Just be sure to do it faithfully, as you said you do. The fact that BMW does not recommend tire rotation does not need to dissuade you at all from doing it.

Most of us more fanatical Bimmerfesters would recommend doing oil & filter changes at 7,500 mile intervals. If you want to go longer between oil changes it is still a good idea to do filter changes every 7,500 miles and, since the filter is right there on top, it is easy to do.
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:00 PM
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On page 185 of the user's manual it says don't rotate tires front to rear or vice versa.
If you have staggared tires, you can't do that anyway. If you can't rotate them f/r, there is no sense in shifting right/left, either.

BMW has not recommended tire rotation for decades (at least since my '91 525i.)

(User's manual downloaded from bmwusa.com.)

And if it's not clear from Frogman's post, BMW doesn't do break-in oil changes (other than on M cars.)
I followed BMW's advice on my non-staggard wheels, but my buddy has his Z3 tires rotated at Costco to his heart's content. Same with my dad and his E46 3er Wagon.

I think BMW doesn't recommend because they design the suspension to wear the tires a certain way for better handling.
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BMW is off track on tire rotations. All tire companies recommend rotation , the reason is obvious. Plus normal driving for 99 % of all of us makes economic sense. If you really need that less than 1 % performance gain in tire performance by all means don't rotate and buy the most expensive tire you can get.
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The scuttlebutt is that due to the negative camber BMW stopped suggesting you rotate because invariably someone would wait to long and then complain about the ride.

I rotated the tires on my 335d and had no problems. Every 5k miles and to be honest they didn't last that much longer than when I didn't rotate.
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The scuttlebutt is that due to the negative camber BMW stopped suggesting you rotate because invariably someone would wait to long and then complain about the ride.

I rotated the tires on my 335d and had no problems. Every 5k miles and to be honest they didn't last that much longer than when I didn't rotate.
Concise and 100% to the point. I never succeeded to convey these two points so efficiently and clearly.

One more thing ... for those that "I must rotate tires and BMW not letting me do it is crap" ... if tire that costs $250 lasting 30,000 miles instead of 35,000 miles is a problem, are you sure you should be driving a German performance sedan/coupe/wagon/GC/GT/other?

Guys, I get it. Out of $10,000 I spent out-of-pocket on the car in the picture in 4 1/2 years, $4,000-5,000 was on the tires - so about half of the upkeep cost. I get it. But most normal people do not spend more than $2,000-3,000 in upkeep in 5 years. So, about $1,500 in tires. If you increase that 15% (difference roughly between 30k and 35k miles), that would be about $250 more in 5 years.
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Old 02-13-2015, 07:48 AM
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Every one of the four tires is going to wear slightly different, due to slight differences in alignment and in driving habits (e.g. going fast on off-ramps and on-ramps). Rotating them so that each tire is on each position during its life evens their wear. I rotate, so that all four tires wear out at the same time. I have a non-sport line. Sports and M Sports have wider rear tires. My tires on the rear are wearing significantly faster than those on the front.

My plan is to get rid of a car the first time after 100k miles that I need tires. So, extending the life of the tires also slightly extends the life of the car for me.
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It doesn't hurt to do it and it can increase the lifespan of your tires by a good amount. For those that don't rotate. Next time you replace tires look at the wear. If it is significantly different then you may want to consider rotation
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Old 02-13-2015, 09:01 AM
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Let's not forget the cost of rotation assuming you don't do it yourself. My independent guy charges $44.00 for a simple front to back swap.

Tire cost per 10,000 miles assuming original Perillo Cinturato P7's RF's, now $264 per tire at tire rack:

Method 1 - no rotation and assume 30,000 life span.

Cost per 10,000 miles = $264*4 * (10/30) = 352

Method 2 - rotate every 5,000 miles; assume 35,000 life span and $44 per rotation

Cost per 10,000 miles = $264*4 * (10/35) + 44*2 = $389

I'm too lazy to redo including cost of shipping, mounting etc.

So it's close to a wash. But count in the time and trouble for each rotation and no rotation looks clearly better.
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It matters depending on how much extra life you get. Really i think it matters for front tires since they het hardest hith breaking. Swap left to right every 10k
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