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E36 (1991 - 1999)
The E36 chassis 3-Series BMW was a huge hit among driving enthusiasts from the first moment the car hit the pavement. The E36 won numerous awards over the years it was produced and is still a favorite of many BMW enthusiasts to this day! -- View the E36 Wiki

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Old 02-03-2013, 10:50 PM
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Yeah, they're sending me a copy for free, so it's not a big deal at all.
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Old 02-04-2013, 03:50 AM
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I placed an order for 50 calendars, which included the one you graciously purchased for me. When the box arrived, there were only 49 calendars inside, so I just sent all 49 of them out to you guys and figured I'd take up getting my missing calendar with the printing company afterward.
I was just kidding around So what was the final total out of your pocket for people who didn't pay? Just the $13 from Thee_Antic?
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:49 AM
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I've whittled down the outstanding balance to $39, but JayDizzle92 is supposed to mail me $26 for his two calendars sometime this week, so when I receive that, the outstanding balance will be down to only to $13 that Thee_Antic owes. Not a big deal at all. I'm sure Thee_Antic is good for the money, but he just never comes around here, and apparently he isn't receiving the email notifications when PMs are sent to him. In other words, I don't think he's actively avoiding this on purpose. He probably doesn't even know that his payment failed.

None of this is a big deal, though. Nobody anticipated having such a goofy payment system where the fee was billed so long after it was initially submitted to Kickstarter. I do appreciate everyone's effort to resolve the failed payments.
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:41 AM
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I've whittled down the outstanding balance to $39, but JayDizzle92 is supposed to mail me $26 for his two calendars sometime this week, so when I receive that, the outstanding balance will be down to only to $13 that Thee_Antic owes. Not a big deal at all. I'm sure Thee_Antic is good for the money, but he just never comes around here, and apparently he isn't receiving the email notifications when PMs are sent to him. In other words, I don't think he's actively avoiding this on purpose. He probably doesn't even know that his payment failed.

None of this is a big deal, though. Nobody anticipated having such a goofy payment system where the fee was billed so long after it was initially submitted to Kickstarter. I do appreciate everyone's effort to resolve the failed payments.
I thought the payment system wasn't bad at all. Just the date was a little odd, but it made perfect sense when I thought about it. It keeps Kickstarter from having to refund anyone. We are armed with the knowledge to make next year smooth as silk. I did feel more comfortable with Amazon/Kickstarter than I would have Paypal though.

Considering every angle you had to think about and the timetable you were up against, I don't think it could have turned out any better!
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:06 AM
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Yeah, the big risk (and/or annoyance) with PayPal is that if the funding goal had not been reached, I would've had to transfer everyone's payment back to them individually, which is a bit tedious when you're talking over three dozen people. Then there is also the fact that nobody feels comfortable giving money directly to a virtual stranger. In legal terms, Kickstarter does offer a little more protection to the consumer, and I thought that made the most sense for people, since I myself would be hesitant to fatten up someone's checking account without any form of protection whatsoever.

Kickstarter was great with the sole exception of the fact that it did not allow me to end the funding period and collect the money when I wanted to. Once you set the end date, you're stuck with it no matter what, and that's what has caused the most headaches throughout this project. That said, none of this would have been an issue if we hadn't been so tight on time. Next time around, there will be enough time buffered in so that I will be able to address any payment issues before the calendars are purchased, rather than paying for them up front and dealing with failed payments afterward.
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Agreed, next year we know just to make the goal time much shorter. That way the money gets to you quicker and you can then send calenders to only those who have paid. When you can hold the calenders of non payers it'll probably be easy to sell them back off again. Overall though I was pleased with the way Kickstarter did things especially from a consumer standpoint. It was an excellent choice.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:19 AM
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That wasn't really the concern with them, it was if everyone hadn't paid and no calenders would have been ordered and Karl would have to have refunded everyone who had already paid. With Kickstarter no one got charged until everyone had paid. Paypal also charges a per transaction fee, plus a % of the item sales, 9% iirc. that we would also have had to calculate into the final cost too. This way no one got charged till everyone had paid, those who took a while had the cards declined.
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:15 AM
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Kickstarter also charges a percentage of the overall amount, and Amazon Payments charges a percentage of transaction fee, and when combined, it's also right around 9-10%, which I built into the overall amount needed to fund this project. To my knowledge, there isn't any way to collect money electronically without getting hit with a fee somewhere along the way.
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Kickstarter also charges a percentage of the overall amount, and Amazon Payments charges a percentage of transaction fee, and when combined, it's also right around 9-10%, which I built into the overall amount needed to fund this project. To my knowledge, there isn't any way to collect money electronically without getting hit with a fee somewhere along the way.
if you use paypal and the payment is sent via personal gift it charges no extra fees.
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:43 PM
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There is once you reach a certain dollar amount, which we would've exceeded with this project.
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if you use paypal and the payment is sent via personal gift it charges no extra fees.
Which also provides absolutely no recourse to the buyer if the seller doesn't hold up his end of the deal. Nit something I'm worried about with Karl, but its generally foolish to pay for merchandise as "gift".

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Old 02-05-2013, 05:47 PM
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I wonder what happened with the calendar scandal over on the other forum.
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I tried looking for it but couldn't find any results. Not a regular over there so anything would go right by me
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On that note, I'm kind of surprised that I didn't have any calendars returned to me due to incorrect address and/or unlabeled mailbox. Seems everyone got it on the first try.
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On that note, I'm kind of surprised that I didn't have any calendars returned to me due to incorrect address and/or unlabeled mailbox. Seems everyone got it on the first try.
Really, if anyone gave you their address incorrectly, they should be on ShortBusRiderFest. That's just retarded.

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My office sends stuff out through the mail everyday, and we get stuff bounced back to us about every other week. Usually people forget to include their apt. number, or they don't put the directional after the street (S, SW, N, NW, NE, etc...), or the postal service doesn't deliver it because the recipient's name isn't on the mailbox.
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My office sends stuff out through the mail everyday, and we get stuff bounced back to us about every other week. Usually people forget to include their apt. number, or they don't put the directional after the street (S, SW, N, NW, NE, etc...),
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or the postal service doesn't deliver it because the recipient's name isn't on the mailbox.
Huh? Never heard of that. Names aren't on ANY mailboxes here and I wouldn't want it to be.


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Huh? Never heard of that. Names aren't on ANY mailboxes here and I wouldn't want it to be.
Yeah, I don't know when it applies and when it doesn't, but there are definitely buildings which postal workers will absolutely not deliver a piece of mail unless the recipient's name is on the mailbox. I think it's mostly at apartment buildings, but I don't think it's all of them.
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Every time my boss walks by my cube, she looks at my calender and says "DIP!". She likes Travis' car.
Yeah that road sign is great. Probably not the one I'd have chosen to photograph my car in front of it.

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