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Old 11-24-2012, 08:06 PM
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a week ago the weather started dropping below freezing and my car started to have a rough idle at start this happened 3 mornings in a row then lasted my whole ride home from work. So I decided to go to the dealer and they diagnosed

Leaking Valve cover into plugs, 3 bad injectors and now plugs.



I wish I was near home but I was some 120miles away and did not want to ruin my engine forcing it to run on less cylinders.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:01 AM
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a week ago the weather started dropping below freezing and my car started to have a rough idle at start this happened 3 mornings in a row then lasted my whole ride home from work. So I decided to go to the dealer and they diagnosed

Leaking Valve cover into plugs, 3 bad injectors and now plugs.



I wish I was near home but I was some 120miles away and did not want to ruin my engine forcing it to run on less cylinders.
Ouch. Mine has the same symptoms but is under warranty.

IMO you should try Techron in a couple of tanks of gas before selling out that much money. Even seafoam if you feel brave
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:05 AM
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Are Injectors covered by the emissions warranty or the initial recall?
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:20 AM
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Nah my cars got 138,000 on it. I wouldn't think they are covered by anything.
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Old 11-25-2012, 08:10 AM
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a week ago the weather started dropping below freezing and my car started to have a rough idle at start this happened 3 mornings in a row then lasted my whole ride home from work. So I decided to go to the dealer and they diagnosed

Leaking Valve cover into plugs, 3 bad injectors and now plugs.

So, was injector cleaning tried?
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Old 11-25-2012, 08:14 AM
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Nothing was tried. I fill up with Shell gas 93.

I was 120miles from home I'm not going to wish an hope when I had to make another 379 mile trip the same day. Crap happens and I was not in a situation where I could do repairs.

I had done 180miles on the same tank with no issues the issues started when the temps drop below 23f.
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Old 11-25-2012, 09:49 AM
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Nothing was tried. I fill up with Shell gas 93.

I was 120miles from home I'm not going to wish an hope when I had to make another 379 mile trip the same day. Crap happens and I was not in a situation where I could do repairs.

I had done 180miles on the same tank with no issues the issues started when the temps drop below 23f.

Clean 'em, an inexpensive thing, if you can. High prob woulda worked to remove fuel crud solidified by lower temps.

Perspective: My diesel injectors, original, now @ 430k mi. Runs smooth & strong. Run pump fuel w/o prob's, but biodiesel said to have excellent solvent properties.

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Old 11-25-2012, 11:42 AM
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Nah my cars got 138,000 on it. I wouldn't think they are covered by anything.
At that mileage I'd swap the plugs and nurse it home with techron in the gas tank. Worst case is likely a ride on a flatbed for the remainder of the journey. Spending $2K on a car worth ~$10K (guessing) is not worth it unless you really have to (IMO)

Pulling the injectors yourself and cleaning them as per many DIY threads is worth a go too; otherwise investigate cost of sending off for cleaning. Likely overnight in PAE based cleaner then several cycles in an ultrasonic cleaner will make them as good as new. I've never done this, just read about it
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Old 11-25-2012, 03:33 PM
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Well I have to call the dealership find out what happened to my injectors because they was not in the trunk per my request.

I don't care what its worth. The cars just turned 5. I knew the plugs needed changing whats bugging me now is at WOT its still got some hesitation through the gears so my concern now is maybe my fuel pump is going.
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Or more injectors are acting up unless they checked them all. I will just buy a new set or send mine out since replacing them isn't that hard. I don't plan to try and clean them myself when pros can do it for little cost
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:31 PM
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They better have checked them all I`ll just run some injector cleaner through and have done. I wish they would have just done it in the begining. But I admit I was rushed for time to get to my inlaws for thanks giving. They also insisted nothing was wrong with the shocks.
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Have ever had the valve cleaning done?

Have ever had the valve cleaning done?
The Walnut blasting that everyone talks about on DI Cars.?
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:59 PM
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No I saw the offer while at the dealership.
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I don't care what its worth. The cars just turned 5. I knew the plugs needed changing whats bugging me now is at WOT its still got some hesitation through the gears so my concern now is maybe my fuel pump is going.

Ronald Reagan, a very canny guy, said "Trust, but verify."

The dealer may have simply cleaned 'em, and cleaned up. Get the old units - check serial numbers, old & new. Verify entered in BMW's database. Write them a note on this - fax it for a verifiable receipt.

If even a whiff o'BS, my out-of-town friend, you got trouble. If all good, you'll both sleep well.

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Old 11-25-2012, 08:27 PM
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I sent an email to the dealer and will follow up with a call tomorrow. I'm sure that the injectors are covered on the recall for the original fuel pump issue. I remember that they only originaly replaced 1 injector in 09 but replaced the fuel rails for the original hpfp issue. I'll check the paper work as I have all receipts from new when I bought the car.
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Might be worth ordering one of these (ELM 237 OBS Bluetooth) and the $5 Torque app from the Android store: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005NLQAHS/

Up to now I've been using old (pretty expensive) software via my laptop and cable. This 'new' car (10.3K mile 328i) is not running well so I've order this to watch battery voltage etc as I notice issues driving. It's under warranty but it's been in twice since I bought it. My ELM arrives today/tomorrow and I'll try to post - with so many good reviews it's virtually bound to work well.

Over twenty five years driving I've learned dealers are there to make money. If you appreciate cars it's best to learn to DIY; I can afford almost any new car I care for but have a four post lift in my garage and 'all the tools'. We only take cars in for expensive/complex warranty repairs like the folding roof which scares me; will take it in for the battery as that looks a tricky job because of registration. Folding mirror is $491.89 for the part so I let them replace that Battery charge module is $393.20 for the part and they replaced it but the battery light is still coming on + now it's running rough... Ah BMWs... they do drive well when actually working and that roof is amazing.
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:41 PM
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Well took my car to my local BMW dealer. They pulled misfire code from cylinder 5 meaning the coil pack is bad. The O2 post cat is bad, The transfer case oil wear is on.

is it me or am I being bent over for a post cat they quoted $600

good bye another 1,000
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Seriously stop taking the car to the dealer, $1900 for a valve cover gasket, spark plugs and a few injectors is downright insane. it's only about 2 hours labor and $500 worth of parts. Injectors are like $100 each, spark plugs are about $10 each, valve cover gasket is like $25. You're from Fishkill... Is this Westchester BMW? I can send you to my Mechanic in Briarcliff Manor, he's excellent, specializes in imports and much better than the dealer. I beg you to contact me.
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The problem is I have 1-2 days free a week I work 120miles from home.

I took my car to an indy to replace my mechatronics sleeve, oil filter housing gasket and I left it with him he called me once done and jacked the price up $400

I would have been just has cheap to have gone to my BMW dealer.

I could do all this myself but I pretty much a one parent family as my wife works nights and I work nights . I live 120miles from work so I am away. I am tired of wasting money believe me. I have the tools to do all these jobs but no place to do it.
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I sent the information your way just in case. Just let him know you're on a time frame and I'm sure he'll accommodate. Best of luck.
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The problem is I have 1-2 days free a week I work 120miles from home.
Ah ah! There is the problem. You need a Honda (or similar) for driving to work.

With those miles a reliable high mpg car would pay for itself pretty quickly. That justifies buying a used M5/ M6 for weekends.
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Honda's are not for me. I carry my kids in my car and I want them to be comfortable and safe. I drive in snow, sleet, rain and shine. I need AWD
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Honda's are not for me. I carry my kids in my car and I want them to be comfortable and safe. I drive in snow, sleet, rain and shine. I need AWD
Ah ah! There is the problem. You need to move at least 1,00 miles south

I used to live in CT and work for a Tier-one IB. Now live in a bigger house that cost about 1/3rd and have a 3.6 mile commute. Cannot understand a word the locals say though.
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Have ever had the valve cleaning done?
The Walnut blasting that everyone talks about on DI Cars.?
At your mileage your intake valves are all crudded up unless you have had them cleaned. In fact at your mileage you are due for a second cleaning. The walnut blasting really makes a difference at idle and full throttle. You won't notice any difference in between. Look in your regional forum for an indy to do it. Most charge around $400 or even less on group buys if someone sets them up. The group buys are pretty common on the West Coast and Mid-Atlantic forums. Price is usually around $350 and they do it while you wait.
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Honda's are not for me. I carry my kids in my car and I want them to be comfortable and safe. I drive in snow, sleet, rain and shine. I need AWD
Your location as a lot to do with the costs of maintaining this car. It is still cheper then going into a new car with a new car payment. If you pay 2-3k to maintain this car in one year that is a bit cheaper than 600-800 a month on lease or finance payments. Only thing I have to add is to recommend you use BMW Fuel System Cleaner Plus once every 5-8k miles (or Chevron Techron). This will help injector life and help keep them from getting dirty. Does not matter that you use great gas (Shell) because fuel additives can cause injector buildup and the injector cleaner will keep that buildup from causing driving problems.
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