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Old 11-28-2012, 04:49 PM
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Interesting Lexus review on Autoblog.


http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/26/2...-sport-review/

"We're now wondering if this particular enthusiast-tuned GS is a better sport sedan than the benchmark BMW 535i."

"The steering on the Lexus (in Sport S or Sport S+ mode) feels damn near go-kart quick."

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Good read. Now, that guy knows what he is talking about.
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Some of you have mentioned having interest in the new Porsche Cayman. Here's a Youtube marketing video showing the new Cayman. I think they did a nice job with the car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=_kqOxyLc4Kc
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Old 11-28-2012, 05:34 PM
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Some of you have mentioned having interest in the new Porsche Cayman. Here's a Youtube marketing video showing the new Cayman. I think they did a nice job with the car.
No, nobody mentioned that.

Nor did anyone in the F30 forum mention that we wanted you to continue to tell us how you have a Porsche. We get it. We're not impressed. What, the kiddies in the E90 forum don't worship at the alter of beden anymore? Not our problem.

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Some of you have mentioned having interest in the new Porsche Cayman. Here's a Youtube marketing video showing the new Cayman. I think they did a nice job with the car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=_kqOxyLc4Kc
Wierd, I like Caymans, but I found this video very irritating. I could hardly get a look at the cars.

Edit: Better link:

http://wot.motortrend.com/2013-porsc...#axzz2DZbteLHB
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No, nobody mentioned that.

Nor did anyone in the F30 forum mention that we wanted you to continue to tell us how you have a Porsche. We get it. We're not impressed. What, the kiddies in the E90 forum don't worship at the alter of beden anymore? Not our problem.

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The Cayman has been mentioned numerous times and I'm not trying to impress anyone. This is a car forum and some of us are interested in many different cars. I wonder what you're trying to do though, besides being a miserable human being? I feel sorry for you as your life must be very disappointing.
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Wierd, I like Caymans, but I found this video very irritating. I could hardly get a look at the cars.

Edit: Better link:

http://wot.motortrend.com/2013-porsc...#axzz2DZbteLHB
Thanks for the link. I never knew that the Cayman is over $10,000 more in base price than the Boxster. I wonder why that is? It's the opposite for the Carrera Cabriolet versus the coupe.
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Have her try a 550xi with Dinan Stage 2 (501hp/580ftlbs). No one has ever test driven my car and not had a sh!t-eating grin on their face.
I wanted her to look at the Audi RS5 and she said she would probably kill herself with more power than what she has. She's a more agressive driver than I am.
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Thanks for the link. I never knew that the Cayman is over $10,000 more in base price than the Boxster. I wonder why that is? It's the opposite for the Carrera Cabriolet versus the coupe.
Yeah dunno. Hard top?

Always liked them, gave them a serious look at them after I sold the E90...
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Thanks for the link. I never knew that the Cayman is over $10,000 more in base price than the Boxster. I wonder why that is? It's the opposite for the Carrera Cabriolet versus the coupe.
It's cause the cayman usually has $10,000 incentives on it.

Seriously, it's cause Porsche made the Boxster first, then when they made the Cayman, what were they gonna do, drop the price $10k?
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It's cause the cayman usually has $10,000 incentives on it.

Seriously, it's cause Porsche made the Boxster first, then when they made the Cayman, what were they gonna do, drop the price $10k?
It's strange, as most, if not all other convertibles from the other brands charge more for the verts than for the coupes, including BMW. I'd rather have the Boxster S and use the extra $10,000 for more options.
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Maybe these things are much more subjective than we all want to accept.

I own an E60 535 right now. I drove the all new GS 350 and I've driven the F10 on numerous occasions (and now I've decided to order one).

I do not know if the all new GS 350 is an improvement over the previous GS because I've never driven the previous GS, but it is the worst of the three cars (E60, F10, GS) in terms of driving dynamics. The steering wasn't as good as the reviewers claim. Corning at 60 on a 30 MPH turn was a bit unnerving (the car was not well planted). Not so on the same turn with either my E60 or the F10. Additionally, my butt could not tell much of a difference at all between the various normal and sport modes (despite reviewers saying there is a big difference). The steering and the ride softness in any of the modes felt the same to me.

My E60 does have stiffer steering and better feel over the F10. But it is only marginally better (I guess this is enough for reviewers to slam it?). The F10 is of course better in every other way. And the F10 is still better than the GS in terms of steering feel, ride, and cornering. Additionally, the GS was particularly unsatisfying when putting my foot down (only ~270 torques that come on at much higher RPM than either the E60 or F10).

I have been unable to relate to the reviewers at all when it comes to the GS.

Perhaps what is going on is this: The reviewers are so excited Lexus is finally making an attempt to compete and the GS is so much better than the previous version that their feelings for it have become exaggerated as a result. I wouldn't know, because I've never driven a Lexus before the new GS.

This reminds me of times in the past when I've met up with friends at a steak house I've never been to. We have a great time and the steak tastes like the best steak ever. Then I return to the same steak house a few months later by myself because, of course, the steak was the best steak ever. I get the steak. And lo and behold, it's average? Sometimes the circumstances cause perception to be better than reality.

Sometimes I wonder if you guys who claim the F10 is terribly softer and bigger than the E60 have actually driven both cars, let alone really spent time with them to get a good feel for them.

Who posting on this list has actually driven, and I mean really driven, not just ho hum from point A to point B because your buddy "gave you the keys" to drive back from lunch to the office, the E60, F10, E90, F30, GS, to be able to claim the reviewers and other board members are correct in what they're saying?

Seriously, if you haven't driven the cars, then you can't really say much. I haven't driven the F30, so I keep my mouth shut regarding it. But when people post on these boards the F10 is "soft and fat" because "everyone knows" it, well, that's just not true. I don't know it. But then, I've actually driven them "for real."

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Some of you have mentioned having interest in the new Porsche Cayman. Here's a Youtube marketing video showing the new Cayman. I think they did a nice job with the car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=_kqOxyLc4Kc
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I'm eyeing that Cayman as my next car. Love it. It may take awhile. Took four years to save for the M.
i wouldnt get the cayman s. just a regulr cayman. msrp is 53k, figure 7k in options. 60k.
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The Cayman has been mentioned numerous times and I'm not trying to impress anyone. This is a car forum and some of us are interested in many different cars. I wonder what you're trying to do though, besides being a miserable human being? I feel sorry for you as your life must be very disappointing.
I'm wondering why you keep hijacking multiple threads in a forum you don't belong in, talking down about cars we just bought, talking up cars we don't care about.

That doesn't sound like the behavior of a miserable person to you?

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I'm wondering why you keep hijacking multiple threads in a forum you don't belong in, talking down about cars we just bought, talking up cars we don't care about.

That doesn't sound like the behavior of a miserable person to you?

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The day Bimmerfest annoints you as a Moderator will be the day that I leave. But wait, I just remembered that you have been banned from this forum at least once, so I doubt Moderator is in the cards for you. Why don't you hang up your hall monitor badge and play nice like a good little boy, junior.
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The day Bimmerfest annoints you as a Moderator will be the day that I leave. But wait, I just remembered that you have been banned from this forum at least once, so I doubt Moderator is in the cards for you. Why don't you hang up your hall monitor badge and play nice like a good little boy, junior.
I would think that of all people, someone of your age and experience would know when enough is enough.

You've got a tight group of friends over on the E9X forum, should be enough for you to discuss a car that you put less than 1500 miles a year on.

The old BJ was banned for the very behavior you're demonstrating. This BJ hasn't been banned because he respects the rules that you aren't respecting.

We go back a long way. Can you tone it down please? I don't think that's too much to ask in a forum filled with owners who have had their cars less than 6 months.

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I would think that of all people, someone of your age and experience would know when enough is enough.

You've got a tight group of friends over on the E9X forum, should be enough for you to discuss a car that you put less than 1500 miles a year on.

The old BJ was banned for the very behavior you're demonstrating. This BJ hasn't been banned because he respects the rules that you aren't respecting.

We go back a long way. Can you tone it down please? I don't think that's too much to ask in a forum filled with owners who have had their cars less than 6 months.

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I'm wondering why you keep hijacking multiple threads in a forum you don't belong in, talking down about cars we just bought, talking up cars we don't care about.

That doesn't sound like the behavior of a miserable person to you?

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So we are sick of hearing that Beden has a Porsche but appaently are never supposed to tire of hearing about how much money you make, how sucessful you are and how jealous everyone is of you.

BJ,

For a guy who made a career out of ridiculing other peoples cars and calling E90s low status "family grocery getters" (on the E90 forum!) I think you are being more than a bit oversensitive. If you think this forum is where the "adults" hang out you may want to consider acting like one yourself. At times your behavior is childish, mean spirited and out of place on a car enthusiasts forum. It is not your role here to decide who can post in what forum and what they can post. If you don't like the way a particular thread is going you have the option of ignoring it rather than being a self appointed moderator.

I have several "old, out of style" cars and have no intention of buying an F30 although it is a car that I respect and a car that I am curious about. In the meantime I will post in whatever forum I choose until somone who has the authority to do so tells me I can't.

You have the ability to add useful content to these forums and can be very entertaining. I really think that for your own benefit and the benefit of everyone else here you should lighten up, tone down the pettiness and nastiness and channel your enthusiasm and energy in a more positive manner.
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Done.

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