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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 02-21-2013, 02:40 PM
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I finally took the plunge and ordered a 6-speed, Alpine White 328i Sport Line with Coral Red Dakota leather along with the optional sports suspension (704) for April/May delivery. The discounts were very nice, so I couldn't resist.

I hope I didn't jump too early, as I read that there will be many new models for 2014.
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ZDH = the Dynamic Handling Package, I think... what's the Z stand for?

Here's a little piece of useless info about the Z....

It's just a IT standardisation

BMW runs SAP.

Evey custom parameter on SAP, is by standard practice named with a Zxxxx

Basically it just denotes a parameter that was customized to fit the customer (BMW) needs vs the standard SAP parameters.

As as I said, useless piece of knowledge....
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:38 PM
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I finally took the plunge and ordered a 6-speed, Alpine White 328i Sport Line with Coral Red Dakota leather along with the optional sports suspension (704) for April/May delivery. The discounts were very nice, so I couldn't resist.

I hope I didn't jump too early, as I read that there will be many new models for 2014.
Well you're in Canada so things may be a bit different up there with respect to what will be new in 2014. Down here in the US, I think we're only expecting a diesel and some F32's (the new coupe).

I don't think you jumped too early unless you're one of those that might crave a 2-door.
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Here's a little piece of useless info about the Z....

It's just a IT standardisation

BMW runs SAP.

Evey custom parameter on SAP, is by standard practice named with a Zxxxx

Basically it just denotes a parameter that was customized to fit the customer (BMW) needs vs the standard SAP parameters.

As as I said, useless piece of knowledge....
Ya never know when it might be useful (like the movie slumdog millionaire).
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Old 02-22-2013, 06:57 AM
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Well you're in Canada so things may be a bit different up there with respect to what will be new in 2014. Down here in the US, I think we're only expecting a diesel and some F32's (the new coupe).

I don't think you jumped too early unless you're one of those that might crave a 2-door.
We've had an entry level 320i and lower priced "Classic" 328i for a while now. I see that the 320i is coming to the U.S. for 2014. My dealer mentioned that standard transmission and rear wheel drive will no longer be available in the new 5 series.

I thought about waiting for the 4 Series Coupe, but would rather sell my 323i with sports suspension, custom audio and exec package before it depreciates even more. I managed to get about $6k off the 2013 price.
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We've had an entry level 320i and lower priced "Classic" 328i for a while now. I see that the 320i is coming to the U.S. for 2014. My dealer mentioned that standard transmission and rear wheel drive will no longer be available in the new 5 series.

I thought about waiting for the 4 Series Coupe, but would rather sell my 323i with sports suspension, custom audio and exec package before it depreciates even more. I managed to get about $6k off the 2013 price.
I'm assuming you mean $6K off the MSRP. That sounds about in line with what folks are getting here too...basically close to invoice price.
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Here's a little piece of useless info about the Z....

It's just a IT standardisation

BMW runs SAP.

Evey custom parameter on SAP, is by standard practice named with a Zxxxx

Basically it just denotes a parameter that was customized to fit the customer (BMW) needs vs the standard SAP parameters.

As as I said, useless piece of knowledge....
That explains "Zee Germans" comments by Turkish in Snatch
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:55 AM
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I finally took the plunge and ordered a 6-speed, Alpine White 328i Sport Line with Coral Red Dakota leather along with the optional sports suspension (704) for April/May delivery. The discounts were very nice, so I couldn't resist.

I hope I didn't jump too early, as I read that there will be many new models for 2014.
Congrats on the new order! 328i RWD Sport Line with 6 speed manual, what trim and other options if any did you get? did you get the Red Trim with aluminum? Did you get the lighting package?
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:12 AM
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I'm assuming you mean $6K off the MSRP. That sounds about in line with what folks are getting here too...basically close to invoice price.
Yup.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:28 AM
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Congrats on the new order! 328i RWD Sport Line with 6 speed manual, what trim and other options if any did you get? did you get the Red Trim with aluminum? Did you get the lighting package?
I ordered the Sport Line with Diamond Black Trim (4AT), Trim Highlight Finishers Coral Red (4DN), Coral Red Leather (LCL5), Sport Suspension (704). There are no lighting package options in Canada (to the best of my knowledge).

I will upgrade all of the speakers, install a Cleansweep, new amp and sub, once I get the car.

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This is nuts. I still cannot get a straight answer from google or these forums. Saying you ordered sport line with 704 is redundant. 704 is the suspension you get with the sport line. The M sport also gives you 704 (also , nowhere do I see that M sport brakes are beefed up over the sport line brakes).

In any case, I see all over that ZDH is the option that gives you comfort vs normal vs sport vs sport+ but I sat in a sport line car without zdh and it had the same toggles.

ZDH means adaptive which I thought is not so much "adjustable" (via toggle) but rather adaptive, i.e. ACTIVELY tightens the suspension in hard cornering. ZDH also varies the steering, so at slow speeds it is easier to turn and also tightens the turn ratio, so less turns in a parking lot.

So without zdh, is the steering number, or does in fact zdh make the steering number? I don't like the electonic steering in my bmws so I'd prefer a more communicative steering response.

Overall, does this mean I should order the sport line with zdh and forget m-sport? I also like the beefier brakes, should I do sport line + zdh + m-sport?

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How can an old F30 be retrofitted to some thing better? If the standard suspension is ordered can a sports suspension be somewhat retrofitted, which might be done a few years? Just get lower springs and stiffer shocks?
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How can an old F30 be retrofitted to some thing better? If the standard suspension is ordered can a sports suspension be somewhat retrofitted, which might be done a few years? Just get lower springs and stiffer shocks?
The suspensions (from softest to most-firm):

1. XDrive (on all AWD cars regardless of Line)
2. RWD Base (no-Line, Modern, Luxury)
3. RWD Sport (Sport line, M-Sport line)
4. Adaptive M (optional on all lines as DHP)
5. M-Performance (dealer installed accessory)

So, for your situation, the dealer installed M Performance suspension is your option. This will, however, make your ride as harsh, unrefined, and uncomfortable as an E90 Sport.

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In any case, I see all over that ZDH is the option that gives you comfort vs normal vs sport vs sport+ but I sat in a sport line car without zdh and it had the same toggles.
In a car without ZDH, the toggle adjusts two things: the steering and the drivetrain (engine, transmission).

In a car with ZDH, the toggle adjusts three things: the steering, the drivetrain, and the suspension.

There is also another feature of ZDH: the suspension is adjusting dynamically (hence the name) and continuously to road conditions. It isn't like those Koni shocks where you can dial in a stiffness. No, these shocks are continuously adjusting as you drive down the road, and each one can be different. Your front right shock can be stiff at the same time as your rear left shock is soft. It has to do with the road conditions.
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There is also another feature of ZDH: the suspension is adjusting dynamically (hence the name) and continuously to road conditions. It isn't like those Koni shocks where you can dial in a stiffness. No, these shocks are continuously adjusting as you drive down the road, and each one can be different. Your front right shock can be stiff at the same time as your rear left shock is soft. It has to do with the road conditions.
The ZDH sounds great, but I'm concerned about reliability. It sounds like there's lots of electronics associated with it, and what happens if some part of that fails. Yet it seems like the only option for a non-sport/non-m-sport car to have a "stable/planted" feel. Also, it's been impossible finding one to test drive.
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The ZDH sounds great, but I'm concerned about reliability. It sounds like there's lots of electronics associated with it, and what happens if some part of that fails. Yet it seems like the only option for a non-sport/non-m-sport car to have a "stable/planted" feel. Also, it's been impossible finding one to test drive.
Corvettes have had a similar feature for some time. I haven't heard of reliability issues, although that isn't the same as they don't have reliability issues.

I'm also surprised that everyone says they aren't available on dealer lots. My dealer had a few with ZDH, although no M Sports.
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The ZDH sounds great, but I'm concerned about reliability. It sounds like there's lots of electronics associated with it, and what happens if some part of that fails. Yet it seems like the only option for a non-sport/non-m-sport car to have a "stable/planted" feel. Also, it's been impossible finding one to test drive.
Comes down to how long you're going to keep the car. If you will keep it for 10+ years then if you have to replace the shocks or other components there will be some additional cost. The question is, did your enjoyment of the feature (and it's a NICE feature to have) justify an extra $1000 or whatever way down the line when you redo suspension bits.
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Corvettes have had a similar feature for some time. I haven't heard of reliability issues, although that isn't the same as they don't have reliability issues.

I'm also surprised that everyone says they aren't available on dealer lots. My dealer had a few with ZDH, although no M Sports.
I have a 335 x drive with ZDH. I do expect problems in the future since it is valve based unlike the Corvette which is magnetorheological. Overall though, I am very pleased with my suspension. It's the best of both worlds.
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Comes down to how long you're going to keep the car. If you will keep it for 10+ years then if you have to replace the shocks or other components there will be some additional cost. The question is, did your enjoyment of the feature (and it's a NICE feature to have) justify an extra $1000 or whatever way down the line when you redo suspension bits.
I'm less concerned about the additional expenses for replacing parts from wear and tear. More concerned about unplanned failure of electronic components that are used to control it and whether such failures can cause the car to become undriveable creating an emergency situation for its repair.
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I'm less concerned about the additional expenses for replacing parts from wear and tear. More concerned about unplanned failure of electronic components that are used to control it and whether such failures can cause the car to become undriveable creating an emergency situation for its repair.
For that you have to look towards cars with the same or similar technology and determine if the electronically controlled servo type suspension has created service nightmares.

I'm leasing the car, so I honestly don't give a rats ass about all of this. ZDH makes the car comfy and compliant (but still handles great) 70% of the time and when I put it in sports mode it tracks the road and communicates chassis movement better than my last couple of sports sedans. That's what matters to me.
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In a car without ZDH, the toggle adjusts two things: the steering and the drivetrain (engine, transmission).

In a car with ZDH, the toggle adjusts three things: the steering, the drivetrain, and the suspension.

There is also another feature of ZDH: the suspension is adjusting dynamically (hence the name) and continuously to road conditions. It isn't like those Koni shocks where you can dial in a stiffness. No, these shocks are continuously adjusting as you drive down the road, and each one can be different. Your front right shock can be stiff at the same time as your rear left shock is soft. It has to do with the road conditions.
I had to order ZDH on my F10 whereas the E60 had it included with ZPP. But I am sure I just drove a 2013 sport line without ZDH that had comfort, normal, sport, and sport+ on it. You are saying that sport and sport+ on this car did not affect the suspension? What is comfort then, ease of drivetrain and steering? haha.

Seriously, I understand that ZDH means adaptive but I am pretty sure that the non-ZDH toggle switch does affect the ride, maybe just not adaptive mode (i.e. stiffer in sport than normal or comfort but not adaptive). So I suspect that the main advantage of the ZDH is just that, adaptive and constant adjustment of suspension which primarily affects handling on turns. Not saying it is not a good option, but let's distill it down to what it really is.
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You are mistaken. On non ZDH equipped F30s the sport/comfort/eco toggle has ZERO affect on the suspension, just the steering and throttle (and on automatics the transmission gets remapped) as already mentioned.
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Thanks for clarifying. What is meant then by "comfort"? How is throttle made more comfortable?
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Thanks for clarifying. What is meant then by "comfort"? How is throttle made more comfortable?
Slower response, more lag, less zoom-zoom. Think of a Lincoln Town Car.
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Thanks for clarifying. What is meant then by "comfort"? How is throttle made more comfortable?
The throttle can be mapped a number of ways, in response to how much travel in the pedal results to what percentage of WOT (wide open throttle) is being applied. They can also dial in how "quick" the throttle responds since it's a drive by wire system (uses electronic sensors instead of an actual cable connected to the throttle gate). In a sport mode it's going to be more responsive than when it is in comfort or eco mode. I would not describe comfort mode as "lincoln town car mode", more like "honda accord" mode.
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