Why X1 ?

Hmmm. Sorry. I thought the X1 went to Magna after the X3.

No wonder they are shxxxxt ..... Built in china and india

Originally Posted by SilverX3

No wonder they are shxxxxt ..... Built in china and india

Chinese cars don't leave China and India cars are "CKD"s...and probably stay in India.

"In the CKD process, certain parts and components are packaged as kits in precisely defined assembly steps and exported for assembly in the respective countries. These kits are then supplemented with locally manufactured parts in the partner countries. Assembly takes place on location with adherence to the BMW Group's global quality standards."

Not sure where the "shxxxxt" comes from but unless you've been to China or India to test drive an X1 then your scattergun approach of review seems suspect and "trollish".
Just an observation

Now Gypsum Drywall panels and Flush Door Skins(veneered) from China is a different story!

RE Silver, your response puts suspect on things coming out of China. Please don't be so quick to brand everything as bad. Witness the Apple iPhone 5. Top quality product coming out of that country. Unless you've actually tried the X1 from China and compared it directly with the ones produced in Germany, taking that broad brush approach isn't wise.

Thanks, Vince.

Originally Posted by SilverX3

No wonder they are shxxxxt ..... Built in china and india

X3's are built in Spartanburg, South Carolina, and Chennai, India. So I guess your own X3 is also shxxxxt. No X3's are built in Germany. Meanwhile our US bound X1's are all built in Germany.

Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee

X3's are built in Spartanburg, South Carolina, and Chennai, India. So I guess your own X3 is also shxxxxt. No X3's are built in Germany. Meanwhile our US bound X1's are all built in Germany.

Crikey, mate...'at's some good oil!

I disappeared from the BMW fold nearly 4 years ago and am contemplating either an X-1 Sdrive28 or 328i sedan. A recent test drive verified my hunch that an X-1 will be the better value for my needs. Similarly highly optioned vehicles yield a roughly $7K MSRP difference.

Don't know if the OP GarryC has made a choice, but the forthcoming 320i may be a good compromise, particularly if leaning toward a base vehicle with fewer options. I ruled this out following 15 minutes of configuring, as the interior selections are limited to black/tan. Moreover, the de-rated engine offers no significant MPG improvement. For the price, it may be a niche alternative.

Originally Posted by vbbuilt

Interesting point of view. Why do you say those other models are better built than the X1? I'm new to the BMW family and not familiar with the other models, so I honestly have no opinion.

Vince.

X1 has been here since 2010... not selling well against E91

X1 quality: lots of complaints here

Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee

X3's are built in Spartanburg, South Carolina, and Chennai, India. So I guess your own X3 is also shxxxxt. No X3's are built in Germany. Meanwhile our US bound X1's are all built in Germany.

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Originally Posted by SilverX3

X1 has been here since 2010... not selling well against E91

X1 quality: lots of complaints here

OP, I wouldn't listen to a guy who owns an X3 and who obviously has some baseless negative opinions about a vehicle he doesn't even own. X1's are getting great reviews, and the majority of owners feel likewise. Don't feed the troll

Originally Posted by johanness

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OP, I wouldn't listen to a guy who owns an X3 and who obviously has some baseless negative opinions about a vehicle he doesn't even own. X1's are getting great reviews, and the majority of owners feel likewise. Don't feed the troll

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This thread contains comments that the X1 is not selling well. BMW Config's site, shows pie charts with various 30 day sale statistics (http://www.bmwconfig.com/BmwConfig/Statistics.aspx). There is a current 30 day chart showing breakdown by series and more X1's have been sold than X3's and X5's combined.
I had been looking at the X3 last summer to replace my current Nissan SUV, which is when I first saw the X1. I test drove it, and it felt very much like my 2010 335 X drive (that car was being replaced with a 2013 335i Xdrive- ED). The X1 seemed like a better choice for me than the X3; a little smaller, more car like and built in Germany with European Delivery as an option. I just ordered the X1 xdrive 28i, with all the packages for a May ED. It is true that it it is missing the better cameras and the lane change warnings found on the X3 and new 3 series, but where else can you find a vehicle that handles like the old 3 series yet has just about the same ground clearance as the X3.

Originally Posted by GerWil

This thread contains comments that the X1 is not selling well. BMW Config's site, shows pie charts with various 30 day sale statistics (http://www.bmwconfig.com/BmwConfig/Statistics.aspx). There is a current 30 day chart showing breakdown by series and more X1's have been sold than X3's and X5's combined.
I had been looking at the X3 last summer to replace my current Nissan SUV, which is when I first saw the X1. I test drove it, and it felt very much like my 2010 335 X drive (that car was being replaced with a 2013 335i Xdrive- ED). The X1 seemed like a better choice for me than the X3; a little smaller, more car like and built in Germany with European Delivery as an option. I just ordered the X1 xdrive 28i, with all the packages for a May ED. It is true that it it is missing the better cameras and the lane change warnings found on the X3 and new 3 series, but where else can you find a vehicle that handles like the old 3 series yet has just about the same ground clearance as the X3.

Thanks for the info on sales volume. I would not however say that the X1 handles like the E90. I have not read reviews that say that. I haven't driven one myself so can't say for sure. It has a higher center of gravity and is heavier so a good bet is that the handling is not up to 3 series stds but is still very good, and great for an SAV. The RWD versions use EPS which is a negative compared to the E90. Your xDrive car fortunately will have the HPS.

Originally Posted by GerWil

This thread contains comments that the X1 is not selling well. BMW Config's site, shows pie charts with various 30 day sale statistics (http://www.bmwconfig.com/BmwConfig/Statistics.aspx). There is a current 30 day chart showing breakdown by series and more X1's have been sold than X3's and X5's combined.

That would be very surprising if true. This website, which tracks all car sales figures:
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/

shows the following January sales:
X1: 1165
X3: 2005
X5: 4084

Frankly, I don't really mind. I'd rather drive a somewhat rare car than to see myself coming and going!

Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee

Frankly, I don't really mind. I'd rather drive a somewhat rare car than to see myself coming and going!

100% agree!

Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee

That would be very surprising if true. This website, which tracks all car sales figures:
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/

shows the following January sales:
X1: 1165
X3: 2005
X5: 4084

Frankly, I don't really mind. I'd rather drive a somewhat rare car than to see myself coming and going!

Those are just US numbers, not world wide.

Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee

That would be very surprising if true. This website, which tracks all car sales figures:
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/

shows the following January sales:
X1: 1165
X3: 2005
X5: 4084

Frankly, I don't really mind. I'd rather drive a somewhat rare car than to see myself coming and going!

You are correct. I wonder where BMW Config is getting it data from?

Originally Posted by Michael Schott

Thanks for the info on sales volume. I would not however say that the X1 handles like the E90. I have not read reviews that say that. I haven't driven one myself so can't say for sure. It has a higher center of gravity and is heavier so a good bet is that the handling is not up to 3 series stds but is still very good, and great for an SAV. The RWD versions use EPS which is a negative compared to the E90. Your xDrive car fortunately will have the HPS.

It is higher so cornering probably is not as good. but it has similar handling characteristics in normal driving, because of the hydraulic steering assist and similar platform dimensions.

Originally Posted by GerWil

This thread contains comments that the X1 is not selling well. BMW Config's site, shows pie charts with various 30 day sale statistics (http://www.bmwconfig.com/BmwConfig/Statistics.aspx). There is a current 30 day chart showing breakdown by series and more X1's have been sold than X3's and X5's combined.
I had been looking at the X3 last summer to replace my current Nissan SUV, which is when I first saw the X1. I test drove it, and it felt very much like my 2010 335 X drive (that car was being replaced with a 2013 335i Xdrive- ED). The X1 seemed like a better choice for me than the X3; a little smaller, more car like and built in Germany with European Delivery as an option. I just ordered the X1 xdrive 28i, with all the packages for a May ED. It is true that it it is missing the better cameras and the lane change warnings found on the X3 and new 3 series, but where else can you find a vehicle that handles like the old 3 series yet has just about the same ground clearance as the X3.

The BMW Config pie charts only reflect configurations on its site and not overall U.S. statistitics. I apologize for the posting error.

Originally Posted by GerWil

It is higher so cornering probably is not as good. but it has similar handling characteristics in normal driving, because of the hydraulic steering assist and similar platform dimensions.

Thank you. I look forward to a test drive.

My X1 Handles awesome with the M Sport package. but I also have the 35i version so it is basically a little taller 135i and has a little more cargo room. If you are getting the 28i make sure you get the xdrive as it will come with the Hydraulic steering and have a much better feel. if you just get the Sdrive, it will have the electric servo steering and ruin the experience.

Mine was built in Leipzig, Germany by the way... Fit and finish are tremendous.

Originally Posted by Foxrus14

My X1 Handles awesome with the M Sport package. but I also have the 35i version so it is basically a little taller 135i and has a little more cargo room. If you are getting the 28i make sure you get the xdrive as it will come with the Hydraulic steering and have a much better feel. if you just get the Sdrive, it will have the electric servo steering and ruin the experience.

i think that's going a bit far. we have the s-drive and the feel of rear wheel drive is worth the trade off for not having hydraulic. of course i wish it came with both. we also have the M-sport package...

Originally Posted by greyX1

i think that's going a bit far. we have the s-drive and the feel of rear wheel drive is worth the trade off for not having hydraulic. of course i wish it came with both. we also have the M-sport package...

Do you have the servotronic option. I'm trying to find someone who can compare the sDrive servotronic to the hydraulic.

Originally Posted by nospam

Do you have the servotronic option. I'm trying to find someone who can compare the sDrive servotronic to the hydraulic.

no servotronic - it was supposed to make steering feel even more numb, especially at low speeds

I've been told the opposite, that on the sDrive it actually improves the EPS and tightens steering at speed.