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BMW 5-Series E60 Sedan was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E61 wagon followed shortly there after. The E60/E61 5 series is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Has anyone ever retrofitted an E60 6 speed manual transmission into an automatic or SMG E60? I have searched and googled but cant find any info.
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I've seen people do the opposite on YouTube, so I don't see why it's not possible. It might require some coding though. It might be worth it to sell your rarer manual and buy an automatic.
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If you have to ask...you will never understand.
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Has anyone ever retrofitted an E60 6 speed manual transmission into an automatic or SMG E60? I have searched and googled but cant find any info.
I would imagine it would bolt up (assuming v8/v10, yes?), and you would have to re-code the DME to allow the car to start and drive (or it would assume the smg/auto had failed and turn off the car).
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If you have to ask...you will never understand.
That"s an assumption ,, that you don' really know . By asking the question , doesn't mean one wont understand your reasoning , as there are many reason why one would want to convert. After all ,, in case your not aware ,, your posting on a ''discussion '' forum ,, and its a fair question ...
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That"s an assumption ,, that you don' really know . By asking the question , doesn't mean one wont understand your reasoning , as there are many reason why one would want to convert. After all ,, in case your not aware ,, your posting on a ''discussion '' forum ,, and its a fair question ...

My apologies. You are right, this is a discussion forum and you did ask a fair question. People retrofit manual transmissions into E39's a lot. I just wanted to know if someone had done it to an E60.
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What?


I understand it comes down to personal preference either way but I don't get why any enthusiast would want an auto over manual unless it was all about winning races and in that case: get a cutting edge PDK or DCT. Autos shift faster in the E6X chassis, at least the 6AT ZF unit in the 535i, but if you are wanting faster shifts to win races, don't buy an E6X! lol

For those of us pushing higher HP numbers a manual trans is able to reliably hold power with an upgraded clutch and fly-wheel, these benefits are usually realized in the >600whp range so it may not apply to but nonetheless something to note.

The 6AT-6MT swap has been done before on an E60, I know of one documented swap, I am sure there have been others. There are a few E9X owners who have completed the swap as well, the process should be nearly identical between chassis.


OP, I am in the middle of acquiring parts for the 6AT-6MT and also an AWD-RWD conversion in my E61, I will do my best to document the process but given the nature of the project it won't be your typical DIY. I hope to dive into the swap in early Feb.

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Has anyone ever retrofitted an E60 6 speed manual transmission into an automatic or SMG E60? I have searched and googled but cant find any info.
I'm sure that it can be done, but it may be more cost effective to get a different car. What's a manual transmission cost? I suppose that you could sell the AT in order to recoup some of the costs.

There'll definitely be some programming involved in order to make the car start and drive. You'll also have to install the pedals, interior trim, etc.

Do you have a lift?

Sounds a bit like a science project, but if there's a will there's a way.

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I understand it comes down to personal preference either way but I don't get why any enthusiast would want an auto over manual unless it was all about winning races and in that case: get a cutting edge PDK or DCT. Autos shift faster in the E6X chassis, at least the 6AT ZF unit in the 535i, but if you are wanting faster shifts to win races, don't buy an E6X! lol
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Everyone one has their different styles in driving .. Your exactly right a 6hp26 has faster shift times than a MT up shifts and down shifts. Since your in California ,, it would be nice to have a friendly mountain run . And carve some canyon corners ,, and I'll show you why a driver enthusiast ,, such as my self ,, prefers a 6HP AT over a slow shifting MT , as you try and catch me carving thru the up hill down hill S turns in your MT .
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Based off your reply it sounds like your pick of the 6AT is to "win races." I put enjoyment at the top of my list, reasonable minds can differ.

My E61 makes 550awhp so you will need to bring something to the table if you plan to loose me in your rear view mirror.

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No i picked the 6hp AT , it's more comfortable to drive . And out performs the Mt where I like to drive .Anyone can drive fast with 500 hp in a straight line ,, I'll give you that . But carving the canyons is not all about hp . As I've shown many with m5's , And M3's with 500 hp plus and standard trannies . That are in shock , when they lift my hood , And come to find a stock 545 can take em in the twisties .. Come to my play ground and I'll show you too .. what I'll bring to the table is driving experience driving In the canyons with various types of cars for many years since 1977 . Probably since , before you were born . And yes total enjoyment is why I have one .
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No i picked the 6hp AT , it's more comfortable to drive . And out performs the Mt where I like to drive .Anyone can drive fast with 500 hp in a straight line ,, I'll give you that . But carving the canyons is not all about hp . As I've shown many with m5's , And M3's with 500 hp plus and standard trannies . That are in shock , when they lift my hood , And come to find a stock 545 can take em in the twisties .. Come to my play ground and I'll show you too .. what I'll bring to the table is driving experience driving In the canyons with various types of cars for many years since 1977 . Probably before you were born .

We're both in the IE.

I need to go canyon carving with you sometime.
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I need to go canyon carving with you sometime.
That sounds like a plan , I need a road dog . We can go all the way up Mountain Ave, have lunch in Mt Baldy . Hit Glendora mountain road to Azusa canyon . Thats my stomping ground ... In the spring time is the best time .
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No i picked the 6hp AT , it's more comfortable to drive . And out performs the Mt where I like to drive .Anyone can drive fast with 500 hp in a straight line ,, I'll give you that . But carving the canyons is not all about hp . As I've shown many with m5's , And M3's with 500 hp plus and standard trannies . That are in shock , when they lift my hood , And come to find a stock 545 can take em in the twisties .. Come to my play ground and I'll show you too .. what I'll bring to the table is driving experience driving In the canyons with various types of cars for many years since 1977 . Probably since , before you were born . And yes total enjoyment is why I have one .
I don't doubt your driving abilities but to take a stock 275rwhp E6X and run a highly modified 550awhp E6X you must be an absolute wizard! By the way you speak of your age, experience, and driving skills you just may be one!

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I don't doubt your driving abilities but to take a stock 275rwhp E6X and run a highly modified 550awhp E6X you must be an absolute wizard! By the way you speak of your age, experience, and driving skills you just may be one!



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Not to mention that ARS is a wonderful feature to have.
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A 545 is 330 stock not a race horse by any means ,, and no doubt 550 whp would be a neck snapper in a straight line and im sure ,, your E61 is A bone"ner to drive. And Ive been tossing the idea forever on ESS super charger . But the point I'm making is too much horsepower can be your worst night mare in the tight twisties . As Ive seen on more than one instance when a M5 has had a introduction to a canyon wall . It has to do more with gearing ,being in the right gear at the right time "attacking'' taking the turns ,, more than horse power .. As many have asked me in total shock , how in the Hell ,did you pull on me ,, on a 545.. I couldn't catch you .. Coming from a guy that was behind me ,turbo'd with over 500 on his M3 on one of our drives . He made me open my hood , cause he didn't believe me .. When I told him I was 100% completely stock, looking for a super charger,, and was even more mad when he saw my stock N62 . lol .

The 545 is an under rated ,, 4 door ,, cornering machine !
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No doubt ,, the ARS is really , what makes the difference ..
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I'll be ready to take you up on the offer in spring after I finish school this quarter.
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ARS/ARC may just be my favorite feature on my e60. I can't say the auto makes any difference in how fast my car is - I beat plenty of autotragic vehicles off the line on a regular basis. when it comes to corner carving, I do VERY little shifting mid corner.
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ARS/ARC may just be my favorite feature on my e60. I can't say the auto makes any difference in how fast my car is - I beat plenty of autotragic vehicles off the line on a regular basis. when it comes to corner carving, I do VERY little shifting mid corner.
I agree ,, ARS is my favorite option too , Its the best feature our cars has to offer .
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I understand it comes down to personal preference either way but I don't get why any enthusiast would want an auto over manual unless it was all about winning races and in that case: get a cutting edge PDK or DCT.



Amen Brother.. You do understand..


OP, I am in the middle of acquiring parts for the 6AT-6MT and also an AWD-RWD conversion in my E61, I will do my best to document the process but given the nature of the project it won't be your typical DIY. I hope to dive into the swap in early Feb.




I look forward to seeing your conversion here. Good luck with it.
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I'm sure that it can be done, but it may be more cost effective to get a different car. What's a manual transmission cost? I suppose that you could sell the AT in order to recoup some of the costs.

There'll definitely be some programming involved in order to make the car start and drive. You'll also have to install the pedals, interior trim, etc.

Do you have a lift?

Sounds a bit like a science project, but if there's a will there's a way.

Good luck!

I already have a manual transmission..In a 2010 flood damaged car I bought real cheap. So I have all the mechanical parts. Was thinking if I could drop it in an E60 one of these days, or even an F10. I just love manuals, especially with differentials from automatic cars !! I like to control the gears myself!!!
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I already have a manual transmission..In a 2010 flood damaged car I bought real cheap. So I have all the mechanical parts. Was thinking if I could drop it in an E60 one of these days, or even an F10. I just love manuals, especially with differentials from automatic cars !! I like to control the gears myself!!!
Thought you wanted the opposite ,, take out the MT and install a AT .. That's why I asked "why" ? The 6 speed MT are sought after ,, and are hard to find .

So you like that combo , because the AT diff has a higher "number" gear ratio , than the MT diff ? Think mine is a 338 per real OEM,, I think the MT diffs are taller a 290 -308 maybe ..

Or better yet install a 346 helical LSD in the diff .
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