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Old 03-11-2013, 09:04 AM
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Don't think so because Terry is a pretty big guy well into the 200lb range. When his 135 set the 1/4 mile record he had Hot Rod 182 drive it to cut down on weight.
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Thank you!!!

Thats quite the list of cars! Sounds like an awesome time! Thats one thing that get old about racing diesel trucks, you are always racing some kind of dodge or another duramax, still a ton of fun, but it would be nice to see some variety in the field, now open class racing can be a blast for me, i like to place wagers, it used to be really unfair of me, cuz no one believed a diesel truck could be fast, oh man, did i make some cash in the good ol days, now enough people know diesels are fast, and my truck is no longer "the mystery machine" locally, hotrodders know i run low 11's, but with my new set of drag radials and some bigger injectors i could see mid 10's pretty easy

Can you imagine a crew cab duramax pulling up to the airstrip and asking a vette to race, or an m3, then watching the truck actually give a "supercar" a legit run for the finish???

It is pretty cool, and never gets old
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Is there any data showing pressure differential between in and out on your IC? How about delta t?
Without a turbo change there will not likely be a significant restriction reduction and actually what you might see is a drop in boost, cuz boost is made via back pressure, and usually there is less than a 50°drop in intake temp post ic, usually stock coolers are perfect for stock turbos, even if they have been tuned to allow for.more boost( on variable geometry turbos) if intake temps are a concern i have seen several times a throttle position activated switch, usually opens close to w.o.t, hooked to a nos bottle or h2o meth, that enters the intake air stream pre and sometime post ic, this set up has had great success in lowering intake air temps, i have seen 400°+ reduction in egt's (exhaust gas temp) in racing diesels along with as much as 200 hp increases and 1.2 sec faster 1/4 mi, without changing out the stock intercooler, if anything, the biggest reasons to change out an intercooler would be if the cooler uses plastic endtanks, or if you are adding a bigger turbo, usually they dont hold up once you add more boost than the car left the factory with, cuz usually the core of the cooler will just crimp over the edge of the plastic endtank and the only real seal is provided by a rubber o ring, these are usually good for up to 30psI but not for long, and boost leaks can be devastating, difficult and frustrating to track down

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So, are all twin/bi turbo i 6 powerplants designated as N54?

When i am ordering parts/tune for our car, the N54 powerplant is what i need to purchase for right?

Our 335is has the twin/bi turbo powerplant

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So, are all twin/bi turbo i 6 powerplants designated as N54?
No. BMW uses the term "TwinPower Turbo" to denote two engines:
  • The N54 is the older engine, using two small single-stage turbochargers. It is considered much more tuneable. In production from 2006 through 2011.
  • The N55 is the newer engine, using a single two-stage turbocharger and includes the Valvetronic system. In production since 2009.

IIRC, the 335is uses a tuned N54 with an upgraded program to develop more HP / Torque than the standard N54.
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Is there any data showing pressure differential between in and out on your IC? How about delta t?
This is a before & after install of a 5"ETS factory fit no cut FMIC on the same weekend.....don't remember the ambient but it was summer but not a 100 degree day. Run is 3rd gear WOT from 2500 to 6250 shifting into 4th. List is of the peak temps & a bit of how they rise over the pull. It is just a snippet of the area around the max temp for both runs because of the large number of readings the logs take. Both started with lower IAT's than shown here & the ETS list is longer because the temp rise is much slower.

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This is a before & after install of a 5"ETS factory fit no cut FMIC on the same weekend.....don't remember the ambient but it was summer but not a 100 degree day. Run is 3rd gear WOT from 2500 to 6250 shifting into 4th. List is of the peak temps & a bit of how they rise over the pull. It is just a snippet of the area around the max temp for both runs because of the large number of readings the logs take. Both started with lower IAT's than shown here & the ETS list is longer because the temp rise is much slower.
That is impressive! I am a big fan of ETS, I had an ETS FMIC and IC piping on my Evo VIII. Great product, and great service at ETS as well!

I know what FMIC I will be going with when that day comes.
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335i & 335is have identical suspensions. 335is engine mildly and significantly enhanced.

M3 has a much better suspension and a naturally aspirated V8; loves >4k rpm.

"What's that mean?" you say. Well, M3 feels and is vastly more competent on the road. Thus, premium price. Very rewarding on country roads or any time the suspension is asked to do something.

335i[s] can be modded to go faster than M3; can easily be fitted with M3 suspension parts - it's the same core really - just R&R w/M + 3rd party parts. Most are inhibited by the down time + expense of that.

Down low, 335i[s] can out-pull M3, yielding a bigger smile. Modded that only gets better.

Your thoughts?

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Pretty sure the M Sport package option that is included on the 335is has the "sport" suspension and the 335i has "standard".

I am looking over the BMW Permance Suspension and the description says the following...

"At the heart of performance is handling. And how well a BMW handles is directly influenced by its suspension. The BMW Performance Suspension lets you savor every curve and every corner like never before! This sport suspension set-up is reflected visually by the BMW Performance Yellow springs. This new aggressive package lowers the vehicle by 25 mm compared to the standard suspension and by 10mm when compared to the sport suspension. Spring rates are increased 48% compared to standard suspension and 34% compared to the sports suspension"
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Don't know if it got answered but the 335is are N54's - The 135is are n55
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Pretty sure the M Sport package option that is included on the 335is has the "sport" suspension and the 335i has "standard".

I am looking over the BMW Permance Suspension and the description says the following...

"At the heart of performance is handling. And how well a BMW handles is directly influenced by its suspension. The BMW Performance Suspension lets you savor every curve and every corner like never before! This sport suspension set-up is reflected visually by the BMW Performance Yellow springs. This new aggressive package lowers the vehicle by 25 mm compared to the standard suspension and by 10mm when compared to the sport suspension. Spring rates are increased 48% compared to standard suspension and 34% compared to the sports suspension"
Its the same suspension as the 335i with the M sport option. No real M3 parts like the 1M had.
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Its the same suspension as the 335i with the M sport option. No real M3 parts like the 1M had.
Correct - as the 335i does not come with the M Sport package you must upgrade to it. So the default 335i does not come with the same suspension as the 335is does.
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Correct - as the 335i does not come with the M Sport package you must upgrade to it. So the default 335i does not come with the same suspension as the 335is does.
I believe all 335 coupes have the sport (or M-Sport) suspension but it is optional on the sedans and convertibles.

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^ not meant to threadjack but does anyone know if msport sedans have different suspension than sedans with sport package? I was under the assumption that they were both the same.
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They are close enough in weight to say most likely but there are a lot of urban myths about the suspensions. One is that the IS has different spring rates than the M sport. The one way to get a better handle on it is to go to the BMW parts site & look up the numbers
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^ not meant to threadjack but does anyone know if msport sedans have different suspension than sedans with sport package? I was under the assumption that they were both the same.
They are both the same.

There are 3 suspensions:
Stock (sedans / wagons, excluding xDrive models)
Sport (all coupes / all convertibles plus sedans / wagons with Sport or M-Sport package, excluding xDrive models)
xDrive (all xDrive vehicles)
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This is a before & after install of a 5"ETS factory fit no cut FMIC on the same weekend.....don't remember the ambient but it was summer but not a 100 degree day. Run is 3rd gear WOT from 2500 to 6250 shifting into 4th. List is of the peak temps & a bit of how they rise over the pull. It is just a snippet of the area around the max temp for both runs because of the large number of readings the logs take. Both started with lower IAT's than shown here & the ETS list is longer because the temp rise is much slower.

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While that consistancy is very impressive, still only yeilded appx 32° drop in iat, as i suspected less than 50°, do you ever log egt? and how much extra timing can you pull with the extra temp to.play with, or were you just trying to be nicer to your engine? While not alot, i bet you cuold tune for that temp drop and get 10-15 more horse easy...
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So thanks everyone for the help, our car does indeed have the N54, and while not sure what suspension the car really has, bmw sales told me it is not the standard 335i suspension, i was pretty sure of this anyways, cuz we drove other 335 cars and they did not handle.anything like the car we now own, also while i was at bmw i measured ground to fender height and our car sits appx 3/4" lower than a standard 335i....
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While that consistancy is very impressive, still only yeilded appx 32° drop in iat, as i suspected less than 50°, do you ever log egt? and how much extra timing can you pull with the extra temp to.play with, or were you just trying to be nicer to your engine? While not alot, i bet you cuold tune for that temp drop and get 10-15 more horse easy...
I could easily get more WHP out of the motor by just stepping up the E85 mix but have no interest in going that way. My cars evil twin with 6 gals of E85 instead of the 3 gals I run dynos at 390whp compared to my 375whp. I am already in a 2nd gear start situation with Conti DW 275X30X19 on the rear & will not be running Nitto 555 or similar tire. As you try to get in to the 11 second bracket with a 135/335 you start to break things which I was willing to do when I actively raced but this car & the 135is are DD's

Actually a few things come to mind on FMIC's. Some of the physically big units for the E9X FMIC may drop IAT by 50 degrees, but it might only be in the manufactures literature. The Helix stepped design is thought to be the most efficient but it covers the part of the coolant radiator where the AT trans cooling unit is located so it might be a better solution for a 6MT car. That being said most independent tests by users have shown it pretty much six of one or half a dozen of the other with most units brings something to the table, best IAT, best pressure drop, best fit, best price etc. If you have a specific objective in mind its hard to go wrong with any of the better made units. If you can you want to see what the internal fin design looks like & the quality of the welds on the unit.

Like most speed equipment the FMIC design is a tradeoff between IAT temp control & pressure drop. It is also a function of what you are trying to accomplish & how much room you have to accomplish it. In my case I wanted good blend of IAT control & pressure drop with a direct factory replacement fit. I could have gone with an ETS 7" unit if I was willing to cut the plastic shrouding behind the bumper to get more IAT control.

The log is a long series of readings & while the stock numbers are close to real time the ETS numbers have had a lot of readings cut out so it did not run off the page, its too long as it is. So what happens in real time is the factory unit heat soaks very quickly the ETS unit takes many times as long to reach maximum temp. What this means at the strip is more runs with cooler air & no real down time for recovery between runs.

On the street in the Carolina summer sun it means the IAT is always low & ready for a traffic light Grand Prix, a quick run in Mexico or better MPG than without it.
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I could easily get more WHP out of the motor by just stepping up the E85 mix but have no interest in going that way. My cars evil twin with 6 gals of E85 instead of the 3 gals I run dynos at 390whp compared to my 375whp. I am already in a 2nd gear start situation with Conti DW 275X30X19 on the rear & will not be running Nitto 555 or similar tire. As you try to get in to the 11 second bracket with a 135/335 you start to break things which I was willing to do when I actively raced but this car & the 135is are DD's
If you knew how great cobb was when combined with Dinan it actually injects a combination of meth and e85 via the ODBII port and I make 627whp.
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Not exactly, you need to modify the OBD II port with a BMS di-lithium ritalin oscillator first
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Old 03-14-2013, 02:39 PM
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Not exactly, you need to modify the OBD II port with a BMS di-lithium ritalin oscillator first
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Hmm - trade in my bone stock '11 STi for the 2011 M3 or 335is ?
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Depends on what you want to do with the car, both are nice but have different feature sets.
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Old 04-12-2013, 10:51 PM
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test drove an 11 M3 sedan and 11 335is

335is came home
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